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A Republican-led effort to block one of President Joe Biden's student loan debt relief programs in court has succeeded just days before it was set to go into effect.

Decisions by U.S. District Judges John Ross in Missouri and Daniel Crabtree in Kansas, both appointees of former President Barack Obama, on Monday sided with GOP state attorneys general in thwarting Biden's Saving on a Valuable Education (SAVE) plan, according to Reuters.

The SAVE plan, which was set to go into effect on July 1, was initially announced by Biden in 2022 alongside a since-canceled larger plan that would have erased up to $20,000 in student loan debt for tens of millions of borrowers.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

It was a stupid plan to begin with:

"Under the SAVE plan, borrowers whose original principal balances were $12,000 or less will receive forgiveness after 120 payments (the equivalent of 10 years in repayment)," the White House explained in a statement in August."

So... if you borrowed $12,000 or less... First, who does that on a student loan?

AND, if you made monthly payments for 10 years...

AND if you still owed money...

It could be forgiven.

This was just a way for them to say they were doing something about student loans, but really do nothing about student loans.

[-] puntyyoke@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago

2.5 million people qualified for this plan, one of 5 that were put in place.

The plan was largely targeting dropouts, because they tend to be most trapped by loans. They don't get any income benefit from a college degree, and tend to have lower paying jobs. If you're doing income based repayment at minimum wage, it's possible for your loan principle to grow continuously.

I'm not saying it's perfect, but it definitely would have helped people.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

They claim 2.5 million but I doubt the real numbers would have been that high or, after 10 years of payments, that the outstanding debt would have been anything significant.

[-] puntyyoke@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

The federal government tracks all student loans, they know very explicitly how many people qualify.

If you're making income based payments, and you have low income, the debt grows over time because the payments aren't even enough to cover interest on the debt.

[-] IamAnonymous@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

You are underestimating the amount of people who make very low payments based on their income. My SO can pay off their loan in 5-6 years based on our income, but if they didn’t have a proper job they could make minimum payments and pay off the loan in 25 years. You obviously will pay a lot in interest but people do that if they don’t earn a lot of money or make bad financial decisions.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

So I'm not going to go into detail. Instead I'm going to ask you to truly challenge your belief here and look into it personally. Consider the interest rates, average wage, rate of inflation, and total cost for rent and other bills. Factor in food and gas costs appropriately.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I say this as someone who has had multiple sub-$12,000 loans and never taken over 10 years to pay off.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

That doesn't matter though. I do celebrate that you have managed to pay off several loans succinctly without defaulting. Sincerely, well done. However, that in no way relates to what I asked.

It's up to you, of course. No one here can force you. All I did was challenge you to examine what you are certain you know, that's all.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I am certain, after paying to put my kid through college, that student loans are more than $12,000.

He graduated from a state school in 2018, his tuition was $10,000 a year, and he had a scholarship that paid $5,000 a year. I paid the other $5,000, laundered through my Amazon card for points. ;) But if we had done a loan, it would have been $20K.

So problem #1 - I'm not buying the stated number about how many people it will help. $12K is NOTHING when it comes to student loans.

Problem #2 is how much of that sub-$12K loan is still out there after 10 years.

In the end, it doesn't matter since it's all shut down anyway.

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