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[-] BlowMe@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

I'm pretty sure without the fossilised bones we would think dinosaurs weren't a thing

[-] Eczpurt@lemmy.world 87 points 7 months ago

Its easy to put bones together and say that it existed but there's no way to guarantee "these are certified bones of Jim the stegosaurus, religious figure"

[-] BlowMe@lemmy.world 56 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Are you doubting about the existence of our Lord Jim the stegosaurus?

[-] EherVielleicht@feddit.org 14 points 7 months ago

Can I apply, for the Jim Stegosaurus religion?

[-] Tramort@programming.dev 41 points 7 months ago

Bones prove you existed.

But the absence of bones does not mean that you didn't.

[-] SonicDeathTaco@lemm.ee 17 points 7 months ago

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 35 points 7 months ago

That's because there weren't multiple people around to write down what they saw. You're confusing paleontology and history. They have very different standards for proof.

There are tons of historical figures for whom we have no physical evidence. But we have tons of written evidence from people who all experienced those people.

[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

History is known by:

  • Archæological evidence

  • Oral interviews with eyewitnesses

  • Texts

  • Archæogenetics

  • Historical linguistics

  • Myth (euhemerism)

  • Maybe some others I'm forgetting

Dino-history isn't comparable to tthe literate Roman period.

[-] BlowMe@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Yet we have dozens of proof about empires and people BEFORE Jesus. Like the Egyptians

[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The tone of this comment makes it suddenly seem like you're not asking a question but trying tp prove a point.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 20 points 7 months ago

The Egyptians also mummified their dead, preserving the corpses into the modern era. "Older" ≠ "more evidence"

We have loads more records from the Romans than from the Norse for example, even though the Norse came later, because the Norse didn't keep as many records as the Romans.

[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago

There are 20th century figures whose historicity is disputed.

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 8 points 7 months ago

Okay now you made me curious, do you have any particular in mind? Sounds interesting

[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago

Which Egyptians are you referring to? We have lots of archæological proof of the Judaeans.

[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

People. Not person. There is HUGE difference.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's prehistory. Everything we know about history comes from written accounts. Historians study written documents and argue whether or not the available evidence makes it more likely that something (or someone) was real or fiction.

Most historians agree that there was a Jewish man named Jesus (yehoshua), who preached in Judea and the Galilee in the early first century, who gained followers and was crucified by Rome. There are also historians who examine the same evidence and conclude it is more likely that no such person existed, because that's how academia works.

See also for comparison: Genghis Khan

[-] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz 7 points 7 months ago

We don't have the bones of gengis khan either

[-] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 6 points 7 months ago
[-] bastion@feddit.nl 4 points 7 months ago

They are, in accordance with the teachings of Jim the Stegosaurus.

[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

You won't find fossilized Jesus, he apparently got resurrected and became wine & cookies, so some people started eating him on Sundays. And he doesn't want us to say fuck, or shit, or do it in the butt. But that's not really related to the question.

[-] Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago

The point is that you are asking the wrong question sort of. If we only accepted physical remnants of someone or their life to prove they exist, Jesus wouldn't be the only one we would have to throw out.

Not to say I know how to prove stuff historically, it does sort of seem like magic sometimes. If we found out today that carbon dating was off by a magnitude I would not be shocked, so that's all the faith I have in it due to my bad understanding of it.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Archaeology in good at giving us clues about the living thing. References to people existing is almost purely based on text people wrote. The proof would be someone writing down "Chrestos, popular among the poor was crucified for his crimes for spreading heresy" as a contemporary. But since the earliest reference we have is a century after his death it's not necessarily accurate or true.

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