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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

There is a very real chance that Biden's unquestioning support of Israel will lead to WW3.

Bibi knows whatever happens, Biden will always have his back. He can't get that loyalty from any other US president, he's counting on every other country recognizing that, but with the way Israel is acting they all assume Israel won't stop with their current victims.

It's stand together now, or watch each other fall slowly.

[-] totallynotaspy@fedia.io 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

WW3? I highly doubt it. More just a continuation of the proxy wars from the Cold War.

But yes I agree the continued support is idiotic to say the least. BUT it's not just Biden, the felonious cheetoh said he'd support Israel too. The only criticism I can find from him is that Israel shouldn't be broadcasting all these images of war because its "Bad PR":

“I don’t know why they released wartime shots like that. I guess it makes them look tough. But to me, it doesn’t make them look tough,” Trump continued. “They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.” https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/04/trump-israel-gaza-war-00150577

Its a lose/lose scenario with Israel

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

This isn't happening in a vacuum.

Hezbollah and Russia have a defense treaty with some others like Iraq and Iran. Russia and NK just signed one.

Russia is losing in Ukraine, and none of the countries next to Israel can stand against a US backed Israel.

WW2 was because some minor dude got shot and treaties pulled everyone in. What's going on now could definitely make WW3 pop off, it doesn't take much historically

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 16 points 2 months ago

TIL WW2 started with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

WW1 set the stage for WW2 to be fair. 2 as we know it wouldn't have happened without 1.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago

I suppose if WW1 hadn't happened, we wouldn't have called it WW2.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I do think he confused 1 and 2 when he wrote that statement though. I actually think 2 wouldn't have happened at all without the effects of 1.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

And the Wars of the Roses (amongst other things) set the stage for WW1. That's just cause and effect, not some sort of profundity.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It's not profound, it's what I learned in middle school.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Okay, but that's all of history. One thing leads to another. The problem is, you can't say what would have happened if things went differently.

Would there have been no Nazi party if World War I never happened? Was Hitler's rise to power in part due to his experiences in World War I and the economic crisis Germany was put in due, in part, to World War I? We have no way of knowing.

Maybe if Victoria and Albert hadn't married, World War I would still have happened, but been even worse because there would have been even greater enmity between the British and the Germans. We can't know. The best we can do is write speculative fiction.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Good thing I wasn't grabbing all of history in my statement then, just 2 plot points.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Did you not read past the first paragraph? Everything else I wrote was about WWI and WWII. I literally talked about Hitler.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Do you get off on acting like this at every chance? And yes I did

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Okay, then why did you say:

Good thing I wasn’t grabbing all of history in my statement then, just 2 plot points.

When I was literally discussing those two plot points?

I'll paste what I said again. Maybe you'll have a legitimate response to it?

Would there have been no Nazi party if World War I never happened? Was Hitler’s rise to power in part due to his experiences in World War I and the economic crisis Germany was put in due, in part, to World War I? We have no way of knowing.

Maybe if Victoria and Albert hadn’t married, World War I would still have happened, but been even worse because there would have been even greater enmity between the British and the Germans. We can’t know. The best we can do is write speculative fiction.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Because you said that's "all of history", it's not like I'm trying to link Christopher Columbus to 9/11 here. I even stated the dude mixed the wars up in another comment thread.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

So you're not going to respond to what I have now said to you twice. I see.

[-] Daveyborn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

As I said in the beginning it was not anything profound, don't know what your trying to make this into but I'll nip it now. Welcome to the list

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