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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 47 points 6 months ago

YouTube used to host and stream videos for free, without ads, for years.

[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 55 points 6 months ago

They operated at a loss just for this reason. Years of loss revenue to trick people into using the service and building a user base only to pull the rug out from under us and go ad crazy. They did this to themselves, we got used to being ad free so now they think we will just roll over and accept the ads. Too bad there wasn't a way to sue companies for operating at a loss on purpose to artificially create a market then fundamentally change the product after the fact but as it was a "free" service there is only one stakeholder.

[-] nullPointer@programming.dev 40 points 6 months ago

"bait and switch" is the technical term.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 6 points 6 months ago

I am not sure if this applies here as they technically kept the service the same as it was before. Bait and switch is more different and not over a long time.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

You are technically correct. The term for Google was doing is "dumping."

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago

I think, dumping is the first part of what we discussed, then there's the second part where you can set an arbitrary price or do other unfair things because you've become effectively a monopoly.

But the public opinion clearly showed me that I shouldn't interfere with this discussion 😅

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 14 points 6 months ago

Also, operating at a loss allows to throw away the contenders that have to somehow profit to survive. Well sometimes those scammy services don't get to the point of actually getting money (kind of like Reddit)

But I guess this is what to expect from any free service, very few of them are run as a form of charity, or at least I think so

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

People think everything online is free. But everything one does online has a cost and we don't want to pay it. So we got ads.

[-] sag@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Happy Cake Day

[-] Pieresqi@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

I received this thing which costs money for free for years and I am entitled to continue receiving it for free.

(If yt was publicly funded or essential service I would agree. It is not.)

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 33 points 6 months ago

You do know that there were static ads on the pages, right? And the whole aggregate viewer data thing? They were never producing the service for free; they had regular old advertising and metrics to sell to fund it.

What they didn't have were garbage intrusive unskippable video ads before and during the video I wanted to watch.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago

And times change. No one is paying top dollar for a static ad.

[-] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

What they also didn't have was positive cash flow.

[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 6 points 6 months ago

And decent video quality, do we want to go back to the days of 240p?, cause that's the only resolution a static banner ad model can support.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

And? You have no idea what their costs are that much video storage and bandwidth. Do they ever delete videos or just keep adding more and more.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Yeah and I don't give a shit either. Not my problem.

If it's not economical for them they can shut it off whenever they like.

[-] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

That’s what they’re doing right now. What is your point?

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Enshittification

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What is enshittification?

The phenomenon of online platforms gradually degrading the quality of their services, often by promoting advertisements and sponsored content, in order to increase profits. (Cory Doctorow, 2022, extracted from Wikitionary) source

The lifecycle of Big Internet

We discuss how predatory big tech platforms live and die by luring people in and then decaying for profit.

Embrace, extend and extinguish

We also discuss how naturally open technologies like the Fediverse can be susceptible to corporate takeovers, rugpulls and subsequent enshittification.

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