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anyone that tries to say star trek has "gone woke" or some stupid shit like that clearly isn't a fan of it and just trying to rile up stuff. I mean come on... how can someone say that and have watched the shows LOL
Yeah, its not like Star Trek suddenly went woke, its been woke. First ever TV kiss between mixed races was between Kirk and Uhura. Scandalous.
That's actually a common misconception. Not to downplay the significance of what Shatner and Nichols pulled off to get around the various censors (ruining alternate takes and such), but many TV shows did it before Star Trek.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_interracial_kiss_on_television
Shatner is on that list multiple times. That man had an agenda.
He likes his coffee how he likes his women.
To go?
easily within reach?
Ground up in a bag in the freezer?
Mostly Asian?
I think it was the first one that was both broadcast nationally in a primetime slot and where the actors were easily identifiable as having different ethnicities on a tiny TV screen. Would explain the misconception.
I think it certainly was the most noticeable of anything shown on American TV at that point. But the British had us beat by years.
I stand corrected! Thanks for the info, I've believed that since 7th grade when I first learned of it from one of my teachers who was a massive Trekkie.
Late 30s here- it blows my mind that we don't have to look very far into that past for the Shatner/Nichols smooch to be remarkable.
It's uplifting to me. This present world can be ugly, but it's comforting to think that the kiss is almost mundane when compared to the present.
A win is a win!
And they're not even that woke. Afaik they still ocasionally eat animals in the 24th century. (Unless they're Vulcan.) Watch The Orville if you want some proper progressive shit 😆
They have food replicators. The only thing not vegan about replicated meat is that they'd probably use your poop as bulk material to synthesize stuff
Pretty ure I saw Riker cooking with eggs at some point. And who knows what neelix gets up to in the galley
Could just replicate the eggs, or even a raw steak to grill, would still be poop meat.
Neelix on the other hand...
Knowing how chemicals and carbon compounds are recycled in Earth's ecosystem and taking into account factory farming, I would wager the line between poop to serving of hot steak is much a much less connected line on a ship that turns matter into its constituent energy patterns.
Meanwhile on Earth we routinely have meat recalls because of e-coli contamination. Which is poop. As well as what we use to fertilize our root vegetables. Everyone is eating poop to some degree, it just becomes a problem when enough of it is in one spot to become contamination.
The replicators are also used to "recycle", converting matter into energy, to be used for future replication.
I doubt they were hauling poop through space rather than converting it to poop energy for their next earl grey.
This is the whole premise behind Star Trek, and one form a post-scarcity civilization could take.
As a tangent, Star Trek's technology is both magical and primitive, in that they can harness and focus energy levels that match stars routinely, they can literally form matter from raw energy and influence the fabric of time and space itself and even break causality if they really try, but despite this have almost no difference in how they are born, grow up and die.
I get the show is trying to make a relatable universe, but if we reach that level, we will also have reached so many other advancements in every other facet of existing as a human that our species itself would be utterly unrecognizable and we probably wouldn't be worried about how real our steaks taste.
If we're sticking with the lore, the only limitation should be what they have stored in the replicator database. No reason your poop steak couldn't taste like an A5 wagyu or a $2 steak, depending on your personal preference.
True! Forgot about that. I think voyager had a few episodes with hunted game of some sort. The Klingons in general too. Guess actually trek isn't super big on veganism haha
https://youtu.be/5nPIQiX-ukg?si=UNlRENogkmFlsqyF
Yeah they have. But don't they go on to tell in several episodes of all of the shows, how someones mom makes/made the best X/Y out of real ingredients and how much better that tastes than replicated food? And they eat on some planets with other people or on vacation... ?! Or someone worked in a restaurant?
Keiko really came off as not a nice person in that scene.
I don’t think the Star Trek replicator use raw materials to produce stuff. I’m pretty sure it’s just energy converted into matter.
Mmmm, poop meat 🤤
You mean like "agree to date me or else I'll date the younger clone of you?"
No, no, more like "I'm going to fly a shuttle outside your quarters so I can spy on you during your date"
You weren’t supposed to see that.
It's literally like 80% of the show's concept. The idea was to hide morality plays behind wacky alien makeup.
Not to mention the first black woman officer and the first black/white kiss.
...in a drama series. This was the first:
That's Lynn Fontanne kissing Sammy Davis, Jr. at the 1965 Emmys.
As far as the first interracial kiss, that does have a star trek connection- Desi kissing Lu in 1951.
On top of that, Shatner himsellf kissed France Nuyen on the Ed Sullivan show in 1958.
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2019/09/11/not-the-first-interracial-kiss-on-tv/
Specifically why I said black/white. and peck on the cheek isn't consider a "kiss" by most people. (although it probably caused a stir). This was also right in the middle of the black civil rights movement which made it that much more risky.
Okay then, you'll have to go with Sammy again and Nancy Sinatra:
That would have been in 1967. Plato's Stepchildren was a year later.
On top of that, you have to further specify that this is only on American TV, because Gordon Heath kissed Rosemary Harris in a production of Othello on the BBC in 1955.
Do you think insulting a mod will go well for you? And congratulations for proving the above meme incorrect about Star Trek being the nicest fan base.
Showing you that a passionate kiss between a white woman and a black woman happened on British television over a decade before Star Trek is not being pedantic. You were just wrong.
Rule 2 applies to everyone regardless of circumstance. You've violated it twice now. Time for a break.
I will give you the same warning I gave them. Civility rules apply to everyone. Please do not violate them again.
Also, why do people insist on showing that the Star Trek community is not, in fact, nice?
Okay, you were warned.
I cracked up a bit at this. That was a great write up, I didn't know before about Desilu's involvement in making that kiss happen and their earlier milestone, that's quite cool.
Holy shit my boy Shatner they're both so beautiful 😍
Right now it's the modern entitled version of woke. Not the philosophical exploratory woke.
Modern Trek tells you off for thinking differently while old Trek set an example to aspire to.
And that's only in the few limited moments NuTrek a actually bothers spending time on making an opinion, as most of it is cheaply written shlock to squeeze as much as possible out of underpaid VFX artists.
Releasing Let That Be Your Last Battlefield at the height of the civil rights movement wasn’t some hypothetical philosophizing. That was pointed condemnation. Same with The Outcast’s attack on conversion therapy, or In The Hands of the Prophets' take on religious dogmatism.
Star Trek has always been happy to condemn bad ideas. If you think it's just started telling people off now then you haven't been paying attention.
What do you think woke means?
I mean compared to TOS it's gotten woke, but TOS was like extremely woke for the 60s