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[-] kernelle@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

I think the word you're looking for is merit, publication which are cited and peer reviewed hold much more merit than those who don't.

Science is a rigorous, systematic endeavor that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world. 1

Nothing in this quote requires external publication. Following the scientific method, publishing, peer reviewing and reproduction can all happen internally in organisation using independent teams. Those private publications hold but a fraction of the merit of publications in recognised journals, but are science nonetheless.

[-] Wintex@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

I don't particularly agree. Publishing is a tricky thing in the private sector, and we've seen a lot of scientific suppression by companies. Peer review literally requires the field to assess your work, and doesn't end with the publication, but is a process that continues forever. Reproduction is a major issue, especially in fields proximal to mine (neuroscience , Medicine and psychology) and the whole process of open science with this type of review process makes it much easier to create papers that are reproducible.

The external influence is basically a given to produce science that holds up.

[-] kernelle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I agree though, we can argue open science is much better and more reliable. We can argue privatly conducting a study and doing all the steps that would be conducted by the academic community within one organisation leads to more biased and less reliable results. But it's still science by its very definition, I'd even argue denying that is a bit disrespectful to all scientists doing so.

[-] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Oh yeah strictly speaking if you follow the scientific method you are doing “science” however what the twitter thread is getting at and what I’m getting at is that science without the scientific process isn’t the same thing. Typically in a professional setting we just call that research.

The scientific process contains the scientific methods but there is an aspect of connection to the scientific community. I’d argue that if you’re using a company to build and develop a working base of knowledge through the scientific method, you’re failing at the building and organizing knowledge part of that science definition by not sharing what you know.

[-] kernelle@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

For sure, and calling Elon a twat would be an insult to twats out there. But saying "if it's not published it's not science" to one of the greatest grifters while having to explain the nuance of what you tweeted is a big L in my book.