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The Legislative Branch does not report to the Executive Branch, it checks it. If the Senate reported to the President, they wouldn’t be doing their job. Trump’s presidency was a good example of corruption of governmental checks and balances.
Do they ever. And you may support legislators based solely on how reliably they kill progressive policy for you, but I don't.
Progressivism is not a contest. Party division weakens us. Just look at how it’s affected the Republican Party.
Stop ordering progressives to be happy with centrism.
I’m not happy with centrism. The term is progressive for a reason. If you abandon all progress short of the goal, you’re not progressing. That just leads to party division, disenfranchisement, and Republican regression. Liberal policies of today were the progressive legislation of the past.
Stop trying to redefine "progressive" to mean "slow walking progress."
The government is slow, not the ideals. What you fail to understand is that liberal policies that you take for granted today were the progressive policies of the past. You’ll never reach the goal if you discredit and discard everything that comes up short.
Your willful ignorance to recognize that half the nation is in opposition of liberal and progressive ideals is what leads you to point the finger at those who understand that compromise is necessary when Democrats don’t have full control of the government.
If Democrats could successfully maintain presidential and congressional majority for an extended period, politicians would be forced to become more progressive to capture more of the vote. That requires unity, not division.
I understand that progressives fought for them in the past and centrists didn't, often fighting against them, just like today. Contentment does not produce progress. Which is why people who don't want progress call discontent divisive.
What the successful progressives of the past understood, that you clearly don’t, is that the opposition to progressives and liberals is Republicans. They succeeded in passing progressive legislation through unity.
Find me a piece of successful legislation passed exclusively by progressive members of Congress. I’ll wait.
That dynamic has changed. The opposition to progressives is liberals and Republicans.
I hope you like Republicans in office. Because that’s how you get Republicans in office.
Ah, the primary centrist thought-terminating cliche. Was wondering when you were gonna use that.
There are countless examples of it throughout our history. Why do you believe your opinion is more credible than repeatedly proven historical evidence?
There are plenty of examples of centrists fighting progress as well. Your demands that progressives shut up and be happy with deliberate failure and betrayal don't change that.
Find me an instance where infighting yielded success for either progressives or liberals.
Where fighting progressives yielded success for liberals? Sure. Liberals fought progressives on the minimum wage increase and were successful.
Congratulations on the victory over working people.
You’re dodging the question because it doesn’t help either group. You’ll understand when you grow up.
It helped liberals. They got what they wanted. The minimum wage didn't increase.
Ooh, the second centrist thought-terminating cliche.
Why don't you tell us who Bernie supported and voted for for president the last few cycles, and then tell us why you think you're smarter than him.
Same as me: the least shitty option.
I'm voting for Biden this time around, too. I voted for Clinton in '16. And I'm going to gripe about it the whole fucking time.
That doesn't mean that centrists oppose Republicans harder than they oppose progressives, and it doesn't mean they don't work with Republicans to shut down progressive policy.