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[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 123 points 7 months ago

What I find delightful about this is that I already wasn't impressed! Because, as the paper goes on to say

Moreover, although the UBE is a closed-book exam for humans, GPT-4’s huge training corpus largely distilled in its parameters means that it can effectively take the UBE “open-book”

And here I was thinking it not getting a perfect score on multiple-choice questions was already damning. But apparently it doesn't even get a particularly good score!

[-] ebu@awful.systems 36 points 7 months ago

[...W]hen examining only those who passed the exam (i.e. licensed or license-pending attorneys), GPT-4’s performance is estimated to drop to 48th percentile overall, and 15th percentile on essays.

officially Not The Worst™, so clearly AI is going to take over law and governments any day now

also. what the hell is going on in that other reply thread. just a parade of people incorrecting each other going "LLM's don't work like [bad analogy], they work like [even worse analogy]". did we hit too many buzzwords?

[-] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

Not the worst? 48th percentile is basically "average lawyer". I don't need a Supreme Court lawyer to argue my parking ticket. And if you train the LLM with specific case law and use RAG can get much better.

In a worst case scenario if my local lawyer can use AI to generate a letter and just quickly go through it to make sure it didn't hallucinate, they can process more clients, offer faster service and cheaper prices. Maybe not a revolution but still a win.

[-] ebu@awful.systems 27 points 7 months ago

48th percentile is basically "average lawyer".

good thing all of law is just answering multiple-choice tests

I don't need a Supreme Court lawyer to argue my parking ticket.

because judges looooove reading AI garbage and will definitely be willing to work with someone who is just repeatedly stuffing legal-sounding keywords into google docs and mashing "generate"

And if you train the LLM with specific case law and use RAG can get much better.

"guys our keyword-stuffing techniques aren't working, we need a system to stuff EVEN MORE KEYWORDS into the keyword reassembler"

In a worst case scenario if my local lawyer can use AI to generate a letter

oh i would love to read those court documents

and just quickly go through it to make sure it didn't hallucinate

wow, negative time saved! okay so your lawyer has to read and parse several paragraphs of statistical word salad, scrap 80+% of it because it's legalese-flavored gobbledygook, and then try to write around and reformat the remaining 20% into something that's syntactically and legally coherent -- you know, the thing their profession is literally on the line for. good idea

what promptfondlers continuously seem to fail to understand is that verification is the hard step. literally anyone on the planet can write a legal letter if they don't care about its quality or the ramifications of sending it to a judge in their criminal defense trial. part of being a lawyer is being able to tell actual legal arguments from bullshit, and when you hire an attorney, that is the skill you are paying for. not how many paragraphs of bullshit they can spit out per minute

they can process more clients, offer faster service and cheaper prices. Maybe not a revolution but still a win.

"but the line is going up!! see?! sure we're constantly losing cases and/or getting them thrown out because we're spamming documents full of nonsense at the court clerk, but we're doing it so quickly!!"

[-] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

Spoken like someone who hasn't gotten beyond ChatGPT on default settings.

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
[-] ebu@awful.systems 18 points 7 months ago

it's funny how your first choice of insult is accusing me of not being deep enough into llm garbage. like, uh, yeah, why would i be

but also how dare you -- i'll have you know i only choose the most finely-tuned, artisinally-crafted models for my lawyering and/or furry erotic roleplaying needs

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 14 points 7 months ago

what the fuck kind of reply is this

[-] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

A reply to a rant based on false premises.

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 7 months ago

congratulations on your impending graduation (to expat poster)

[-] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

I love the anger, the name calling and the downvotes. Keep em coming.

[-] self@awful.systems 21 points 7 months ago

you’ll love what happens next

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 7 months ago

this is not the place to satisfy your desire for degradation

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