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[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 32 points 11 months ago

If Trump wins, funding for Israel will increase, and even more Palestinians will die. So basically, you're valuing your purity over human lives. Which is quite fascist, if you think about it.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 28 points 11 months ago

"Opposing genocide is fascist" is certainly a take.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No, it's fucking not. Cornel West opposes funding to Israel, supports a 2 state solution, and supports the same issues strawmanned by lady liberty. I value the end of a genocide as well as a socialist economy. If neither of the mainstream candidates will stop the genocide, I'm going to vote for the only candidate that wants to stop the genocide as well as handle the other issues I care about, in a way I'd align with. My barely tepid patience with Biden and supporters like you has run out.

[-] LwL@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

I would agree with this if not for the fact that you live in an absolute farce of a democracy where voting for a third party is nothing but a protest vote. Which seems fine to do in a state that will vote majority democrat anyway, but plain irresponsible in one that won't.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Discouraging people from voting 3rd party only ever hurts Democrats and liberal candidates. We're not just electing the president, which is where most of the 3rd parties appear, we're voting for everything. Telling people in battleground states that voting for "their guy" is pointless will stop the liberal and progressive people that support Cornel and Stein from going to vote. Those people vote Democrat down-ballot.

[-] Handrahen@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

The reality is that either Trump or Biden will win and if you're not voting for either of them then, practically speaking, you might as well not vote at all. Third party candidates only ever get a tiny fraction of the overall vote and that's not going to change this time.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm not casting a protest vote. I'm voting honestly because there is no way to strategically vote for the less genocidal candidate.

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Biden is the less genocide candidate. He's been getting aid into Gaza, putting pressure on Israel, and directing funds towards humanitarian aid. All of that would cease immediately under trump.

Realistically, the best way to reduce genocide is through protest, donations, and activism. Electorally, the best option is to vote for Biden in the hopes we can keep trump from making thing unimaginably worse.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

clearly my message went over your head. Either a candidate supports a genocide, or they don't. Biden can wag his finger all he wants, he's still complicit in genocide. The truth is that he's handling Israel more conservatively than Ronald Fucking Reagan.

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

If you put things in such stark black and white terms then every president has supported genocide; they've been funding Israel since the beginning, and America itself is built on stolen, colonized, and occupied land.

In truth elections have consequences, and across the board things will be substantially worse under trump than Biden.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

I think you forgot that I stated I'm a leftist. Specifically I'm an anarchist. I already think every president in history is a criminal. I'm talking about what's happening in the here-and-now in the midst of the second Nakba.

[-] als 2 points 11 months ago

He just pledged more money so they can keep bombing kids. I'm not in the US but it's the same deal here in the UK. I'm not gonna vote for a guy who is trampling on my rights just to avoid the guy who does it a bit more, I'm gonna vote for who I want. We have first past the post voting here which makes my vote "wasted" but voting for the slightly less evil guy isn't the way to fix it.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Your moral purity will kill more people. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

I upvoted you for at least naming a potential candidate, rather than vaguely saying “someone else”.

this post was submitted on 15 May 2024
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