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I have zero thoughts or comments on this specific comic, but can we please leave pizzacake on reddit? They were already plenty inescapable enough there.
Do y'all have any justification besides hating something popular?
They're boring and lame, and they have a cultish following of people who defend them not because they are actually good, but because the artist receives abuse.
This comic is a prime example of it. Completely unfunny, unoriginal, strawman argument that achieves nothing more than making people argue with each other.
The only arguing here is your cult of haters. Making the comic not a strawman. It's about you.
The answer to the question was evidently "no."
are other justifications needed? seeing the same shit in the same in the same style all the time gets boring regardless of any other factor.
When the response is 'mods should ban this artist's work,' absofuckinglutely more justification is needed. Kneejerk hatred for something popular is childish. Whining about it to others is performative sneering. Expecting authority to enforce a shallow contrarian opinion is just plain shitty.
Underlined in bold when half the complaints go 'We're not like that! Fuck this bitch!'
true but wanting people to stop posting something and asking the mods to ban it are different things, if that is what u got from the original comment that is an extremely... extreme reading of it. If that is the context u had in mind for ur comment i dont disagree but imma be honest i think u misread it.
The politest comment in a wave of kneejerk backlash is still part of that wave.
i havent seen any comment here calling for it to be banned.
You did zero looking.
literally not a comment calling for it to be banned. are u ok? do u know how to read? do u understand the meaning of words? u seem confused.
There is not a single comment there asking for pizzacake to be banned.
It's a report asking the mods to remove pizzacake comics for being pizzacake comics.
Your downvote doesn't change reality. Dave, the person you linked, isn't a moderator here. They weren't relaying a mod report, they were just a user telling a story.
You made a factually inaccurate statement and doubled down on it.
And that marginal overstep in describing kneejerk hatred changes the discussion in some meaningful way. There's still multiple people overtly saying 'let's never post this' or 'I automatically downvote this.' There's still people accusing the author of "misandry" for describing, essentially, this thread. The silent downvote was to avoid making this sort of comment, where I fully expect the reply to be some 'ah-ha!' that misses the point: people absolutely hate this comic for no sensible reason, and they're not shy about it.
You posted your comments in reply to my comment specifically, while all I have asked is for this drama shitstorm to not come here on lemmy. I never accused her of misandry, never asked for any prohibition of her work, never even made any mention of the comic at hand or the topic it alludes to. Yet I was lumped in with incels and accused of trying to enforce prohibition.
Personally, I don't care why people have feeling about this comic creator or whether or not those reasons are sensible. I just don't want to see this exact shit here. That's it.
Meanwhile you've been making specific accusations and basing them on what seems to be nothing more than your gut feelings and assumptions, and wouldn't retract them even when this fact was pointed out.
If you have issues with others and their treatment of this creator, I suggest you bring it up in replies to them, not to me.
Genuinely, what is your goal? How would you like for this interaction to proceed or conclude?
Your root comment is the drama.
I am specifically taking issue with your treatment of this creator.
I want you to stop having and publicly expressing a kneejerk reaction to seeing this artist's work, if there's no justifiable reason. You didn't say "can we please leave the drama on reddit?" You said: "can we please leave pizzacake on reddit?"
Things do not exist in a vacuum. You cannot divorce this creator from the context of their works and fandom. That simply isn't how the world works.
But I am perfectly fine with you disagreeing with my take on the matter. I only object when you impugn me with false accusations. Don't accuse me of labeling this creator as anything and don't accuse me of calling for prohibition and I'm fine.
Yes, I have a kneejerk reaction to seeing this creator's work for the contextual reasons mentioned, and I am fine with you objecting to that. If that was your point, then cool, your complaint has officially been registered. But you sure did a shitty job presenting that as your point.
You don't ever want to see this artist's comics posted here, regardless of what those comics are. Clutch your pearls all you like - that's awful. That's terrible behavior, and you blame it on other people. Splitting hairs about how and why exactly you never want to see her work again simply means nothing.
It is inseparable from the very drama you are whining about in the first place. It is that drama.
You are actively participating in this abuse.
Abuse is an absurd suggestion, especially considering the overt special treatment this creator receives on the other site. Just a bananas suggestion. Nobody is entitled to my viewership, and I am welcome to express my viewing preferences, even attempt to exert them within the realms of reason. Saying "I don't like this content and I do not want to see more of it" is not abuse to anyone, in any stretch of the imagination.
Your downvote doesn't change how you treat this artist, independent of how you feel about her work.
"Drama shitstorm" sounds pretty abusive, my guy. People are so toxic about this artist that you never want to see her work again. Have you even expressed an opinion of this content? Unless I'm mistaken, you've insisted you don't even care what the comic is, because you're automatically opposed to the "context." You are effectively blaming the artist for the whiners who follow her around complaining about her.
How is what you're doing not participating in that whining? What's the fucking difference?
But oh, my apologies, why should anyone else be "entitled" to post anything you don't like? What a reasonable framing, not absurd in the slightest. All you've done is ask that nobody ever post anything from this person ever again. That's totally distinct from prohibition in ways that matter.
I am in fact an admin of this instance, and that was in fact a user report and not a story I was telling.
I stand corrected then, sorry.
I am surprised to learn that while user mod status is listed on the user page, apparently admin status is not. I wonder if that's just an oversight or by design.
I'm also surprised to learn that user reports apparently are sent to instance admins rather than community moderators; that's not how I would have expected.
Thank you for clarifying and correcting my error, cheers. ✌️
Reports are sent to community mods and to the instance admins of the community, the poster/commenter, and the reporter.
Gotcha. Sincere thank you for the additional information! ✌️
It's a story that some random posted. Dude isn't even a mod here.
Even then, a single person abusing the report function isn't a genuine call for prohibition by anyone.
Edit: typo
I never asked for mods to ban pizzacake, I asked the potential audience to practice a little bit of discernment in their tastes.
I think this is an important distinction, personally.
At least it isn't another heathcliff
I will take Heathcliff over pizza cake 10 out of 7 days of the weeks
If it was pebbleyeet you'd have a point
My issue with pizzacake is her wildly sycophantic fans and their disingenuous bad behavior.
So as much as I may not be a fan of pizzacake, yeah I agree she obviously isn't as awful or problematic as a literal Nazi and thus doesn't deserve to be maligned the same way as pebbleshit does.
I don't want to see this place turn into another worship space for pizzacake, but I also don't believe that she personally deserves any ire or overt negativity as a person