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this post was submitted on 08 Jul 2023
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I'm going to respond in short terms because we're reiterating a lot.
I did not start the discussion surrounding women's experiences here, other commenters were already talking about it when I first viewed the thread.
I sincerely believe body positivity and better representation in media will be greatly beneficial to body image for men and boys. That goes along with greater tolerance of femininity in men, combating social stigma against men, and addressing power structures like heteronormativity and racism that affect queer men and black men. You have never responded to my proposed solutions, when I am responding to you I have been responding to what you say.
I was responding to misinformation. I have no obligation to counter these narratives with "i know your lives are hard too but can you stop spreading misinformation about women". I came to this thread, I saw misinformation, I replied to that misinformation. That's all.
This space is equally for me as it is for you. This is not a men's space. I am imposing on nobody by being here and commenting.
It's not a men's space but it's a men's topic. So yes, you're imposing.
And the problem is, it's not just you with a one off comment. Most discussions, that's perfectly fine. Come in, refute misinfo, leave. Great. No harm done.
When men in neutral spaces bring up any problems they have, there are HORDES of people coming in wanting to talk about How Bad Women Have It. It downs out the initial conversation. And often there's some of those people who go so far as saying men don't have it bad at all, ever.
And again, I can't emphasize this enough: we don't have safe spaces. This is the only type of place where we can actually talk about this kind of stuff.
So, if you want to not be an asshole, you should take some time to acknowledge the central issue here. Just a couple of sentences. BEFORE being called out about it.
Its not a men's space. I have every right same as you to say something here. I am imposing on no one by doing so.
People responded to me and I responded to them. That's the nature of dialog on a platform like this.
Its not a space exclusively for men. I was responding to misinformation. You should make or join spaces that are exclusively for and about men.
Yeah, and I have the right to call your mother a whore, but I don't, because I'm not an asshole.
"I have every right to be an asshole" is a terrible viewpoint.
I've explained the issues with that. It's difficult.
There are spaces that presently exist.
I don't even know how to respond to your first comment, considering I have done nothing comparable to that. I continue to be misrepresented by you and accused of things I haven't done. I'm not going to engage with this further.
Fine. I think we're going in circles anyway.