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[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This whole thing is just another way of pitting men and women against each other.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 40 points 9 months ago

Men having to listen to women and be confronted with reality and the harms their gender and society are actively causing is NOT pitting people against each other. Women don't want to fight and ostracize men. They want to be safe FROM men.

If you see this discussion and feel defensive, that's your brain trying to tell you something's wrong and you should probably analyze why you feel like you are being attacked.

[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

See, this is what I mean. Stupid arguments. We immediately go to pitting gender experiences against each other.

You're not confronting reality when you compare men to animals. You're literally projecting your insecurities onto me by assuming I'm defensive over this topic. I'm not defending either man or woman or bear in this argument. I'm saying this whole topic is a stupid hypothetical and all it does is lead people to argue, like you literally did with me. You're not confronting reality by saying your safe with a bear, because reality is, you'll never go be with a bear.

If you want to have a real discussion about the very real and serious harms that women have to deal with, I'm happy to discuss that. That's a topic worth discussing. This isn't that discussion. This is a bad faith hypothetical designed to frame a conversation against men for the sake of stirring more shit. And honestly this'll be the last I engage with this thread because its really already consumed too much of my time.

I hope you understand, I'm not trying to fight or belittle your opinion or attack you. If you wanna frame this as me being defensive, that's your prerogative, but I just found this whole question to be dumb when I first heard about it a few days ago, and this article just once again reinforced how dumb I found it.

[-] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 12 points 9 months ago

You are conflating all men with the guilty.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 17 points 9 months ago

"not all men!"

Enough men that most women would choose a fucking bear. Look in the mirror: you're the problem.

[-] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 9 points 9 months ago

Oh damn, am I?

What with my respecting women’s choices, supporting them and all that?

Do I need to go change everyone’s opinions or is just living my life, doing right, and treating people as equals enough?

Yeah, some of us get sick of hearing how men do this and men do that.

Well guess fucking what, I’m a man who doesn’t do all the bad shit, and still yet I hear about how men are bad.

Shit gets old quick.

Is any of this going to cause me to change my life and how I act?

Not even a bit, my principles don’t require anyone’s input.

It’s like how when men start talking about how all women are bitches, if I was a woman I would get straight pissed at that as well.

That is bullshit behavior no matter who is doing it.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago

You're conflating what you think argument is with what the article was actually about.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

That's funny. I'm finding it brings me closer to the women to understand them better.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

If this is pushing women away from you then sit down and think about why that might be.

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