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That's the great part about our democracy: You don't get to vote for someone who isn't pro-Israel. Because freedom.
*electoral system
Because of FPTP and the Winner Take All Electoral College, there is a lot of political pressure to only have 2 parties. In a better system (proportional, ranked choice, etc) it wouldn't break with more than two parties. In fact just reforming the electoral college to be proportional would likely allow 3 parties to exist.
If you look at history the last time there was a viable 3rd party it possibly initiated the civil war by allowing an anti slavery viewpoint to exist (which is good, but if we'd had a better voting system it would have happened earlier and reduced a lot of suffering)
And if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped.
We have FPTP, and we'll have it until I'm cold and dead in the ground.
even republican-ass alaska passed RCV.
Yay, Alaska and Maine did it. Very good. Wake me when it's a state that has more people than moose.
alaska also has some kind of UBI because of their oil stuff, I'm not sure they slot as easily into political partisanship as most other states
Burlington VT also switched off FPTP... and then we fucking back slid because "it's too confusing!"
I think it's highly unlikely we get off FPTP at a national level.
And it failed in blue as fuck Massachusetts
Electoral system…
Just as I have to watch half the electorate embrace the most asinine BS possible to justify selfishness and hate… it’s not that far out to see people screaming “genocide joe!” at everyone they see, as they turn off everyone and defeat themselves at every chance.
The cool part is focusing all your effort into a camp-out such that your main message is synonymous with homelessness and you self defeat your own goals… all while you call the liberal element genocidal and basically show the world your biggest effort is to sit still while cutting off the liberal nose to spite your face.
Purely hypothetical question for you: If you had a choice between supporting Israel or Biden winning the 2024 election which would you choose?
Well shit, if you had a purely hypothetical choice, what would you choose?
I'm voting 3rd party so according to liberal and moderate logic that probably means I'm supporting Israel.
The important part is that the equation means more than you.
Vote how you mean, and ignore how your vote’s mean.
Good for you.
So what's your choice? Supporting Israel or Biden winning the 2024 election?
Ok purely hypothetical right back for you…
Do your ideals exist outside of pure hypotheticals? Can you cite them?
If you had a real choice… say in the upcoming election…
Who would you choose?
Can you imagine how dumb it would be to vote for someone who isn’t though?
The only reason I think Trump isn’t pro-Palestine (Russian ally through Iran) is because the war is a good distraction from Ukraine
You have to be pro-Israel as the US but that doesn’t mean you can’t be pro-Palestinian
Being pro-Israel and being pro-Palestine are mutually exclusive positions since Israel is genociding Palestine.
That's like saying you can be pro Nazi and pro jew.
I mostly agree in fact, however in definition it isn't true. Israel is a nation that could exist in many other forms. It doesn't have to do what it's doing. It's not the same as "pro-Nazi" because Nazism is an ideology, not a nation. A nation doesn't have any set ideals, only a set of people and borders it represents.
You can be anti-Nazi and pro-Germany because Nazis didn't define Germany. They were Nazis at one point in time but are now represented by totally different ideals.
Agreed
Socially Jew, economically Nazi?
No it would be like Finland allying with Germany because they had to be against Russia
But I didn’t say pro-Palestine, I said pro-Palestinian which you clearly know the difference since you had to change it to make your point
You just proved my point. The Finland/Germany/Russia comparison only fits with 'Palestine'.
The Nazi/Jews comparison is accurate with 'Palestinian'.
Would it be easier if I said “Finnish” instead of Finland?
If the US backs Palestine do you honestly believe they will turn against all their allies to aid American security of the region and be Israel 2.0?
That is irrelevant to the conversation.
The state of Israel is currently genociding Palestinians. You can't support the state of Israel and support the Palestinian people at the same time. Full stop.
Oh lol
It’s quite easy, you pressure your ally to stop that and to elevate the status of Palestinians in society
Send humanitarian aid and doctors to Palestine
We have. Israel attacks the convoys.
Being pro Israel means you support the genocide they're committing.
Yeah Donald "Muslim ban" and "finish the job" Trump is not pro-Palestine only for reasons of distraction.
Donald “carpet bomb the middle east” trump
Might possibly be pandering to his base
Russia isn't in military allience with Iran. Both Russia and Iran are neighbors sanctioned by the US, forcing them into a business partnership by exclusion.
And Iran isn't allied with Gaza Palestinians. You're confusing them with the Yemeni Houthis and West Bank Hezbollah. What you have is Israelis engaging in terrorist acts against both states, then conflating retaliation with cooperation.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/russia-providing-unprecedented-military-support-iran-exchange-drones-o-rcna60921
https://apnews.com/general-news-08f1ea9e849a49c5a741bf0e1582b616
Also Israel is a state not a terrorist organization, they are participating in war crimes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
Israel is a state
Response:you’re right but here’s a list of organizations that are
Congratulations, just seems like wasted effort
https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/the-systematic-torture-of-palestinians-in-israeli-detention/
Torture is a war crime
What is your point?
Torture, how to keep sadistic people employed, and feel productive about extracting "truth"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/assessing-role-of-terrorism-by-jewish-underground-in-founding-of-israel/2015/03/13/9ac811fe-b938-11e4-9423-f3d0a1ec335c_story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
You can check the 193 member states here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_United_Nations
https://www.addameer.org/sites/default/files/publications/webenglishbooklet_1.pdf
https://lemmy.ca/comment/8958873
You're right that a state can commit terrorism just like a group can, but the key issue here is whether the state works towards being held accountable and towards achieving a long term benefit for all its benefactors, investors, assets and the society it's providing for
I was saying a state can’t commit terrorism by virtue of being a state they are war crimes
The difference is that random Israeli isn’t held accountable for war crimes committed by the regime but random Kurd/ISIS member/Proud Boys member can be held accountable for terrorist activities even if they aren’t involved
Like I said: Freedom. 🇺🇸🦅🍔