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So then they're doing exactly what he said we should do, but since the protests undermine Biden's electoral chances it means they are underestimating the threat of Trump.
If we can't allow Democrats to ever lose, how exactly do we fight?
By voting in primaries.
There's more than just the president. Local elections and specifically primaries are what reshape the representative body.
You mean like I've been doing for 24 years with no measurable effect? And get told that the person I support in the primary isn't electable so I'm letting the Republicans win?
The thing about voting is that other people get to do it too. Your candidates didn't get the most votes. Do you think they should have won anyway, because you liked them the most?
Of course not. But don't then go tell me that voting changes things, because I've seen that it doesn't.
No measurable effect? You sure there's not one single decent person in either the Senate or the House? Or if there are, then how did they get there...?
Not one I voted for
Yea, it's true that not everyone gets a decent candidate.
Guess you don't follow politics much. The teabaggers followed that formula and eventually took control of the GOP in form of MAGA. It takes time and commitment otherwise you just get what others create. This isn't an instant gratification thing. Voting a couple of times isn't going to cut it.
Did you miss the part where I said I've been doing it for 24 years?
The Democratic party today is significantly more progressive than it was 24 years ago, so I'm going to give you kudos
MAGA's takeover required cooperation from the more moderate Republicans. If moderate Republicans refused to vote for Trump in the general he never would have won.
Meanwhile liberal and moderate Democrats are celebrating the police raids on the protestors. But you think if we manage to get a decent candidate through the primaries they'll show up to vote?
By voting in primaries AND supporting good candidates down stream, but FIRST we must vote to ensure we will be able to do this. If the young people don't vote and fuck up their future, it's their future in the toilet.
That's the neat part: Their future is already in the toilet.
You're making an assumption here that if progressives and leftists managed to get decent candidates through the primaries the moderates and liberals who we will still depend on to win general elections will show up to vote for them. That confidence is absolutely baseless.
The DNC has literally argued, successfully, in court, that is has every right to rig its own primaries.
Voting in primaries is pointless unless that changes.
We saw how well it worked to let them lose in 2016
I voted in that election, too. Didn't seem to help much.
Oh. We can definitely allow Democrats to lose, just not to the right wing.