Sick of internet moderators and their ego trips. (lemm.ee)

submitted 6 months ago by nac82@lemm.ee to c/casualconversation@lemm.ee

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I just want forums to chat about current events, argue about stupid fandoms, and bicker with internet trolls. Reddit used to be that, and I had hopes for Lemmy, but everything here is choked to death by over moderation that has nothing to do with keeping healthy communities. It's just thinly veiled echo chambers that don't want to admit what their community is about.

This is coming off a ban over disagreeing with vegans calling dietary disagreements the same as racism. The dude literally said different species were similar to humans having different races. I called that 1800s slave owning theory racism if I've ever seen it lmao.

I know people dont care for internet drama, I just wanted to rant. The internet of tomorrow fucking sucks.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

As an admin, I can see you just mass downvoting things and just being combative and rude (including targeted downvoting specific users). Perhaps the ego trip and problem lies inward.

[-] Blaze 3 points 6 months ago

Hello,

I wouldn't pay too much attention to OP.

I am the "another moderator interaction" they had today. They wanted to remove their post, but for some reason the removal hasn't been acted yet on my instance, so it's still available here, at least for some time: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/11547421

See you around

[-] nac82@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Don't worry, I left the key quotes on what was civil vs uncivil according to what you singled out of that thread in another comment.

My deleted post won't prevent them from having access.

This is a great place to highlight, the problematic quote from me was

"Sorry you have bad taste" to a shitposter in a post of mine.

Right here, an admin is saying "I wouldn't pay too much attention to OP".

These both sound like a method of invalidating the input of another person to me.

[-] nac82@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I only started mass downvoting super mod activity as of today in response to yet another moderator interaction. Don't try to frame the way I interacted on this site before this post with my reaction to moderator harrasment since then.

Yall can keep your modlog to yourself, and your personal attacks.

Yall are literally stalking me across different posts to start shit and now trying to dig up additional personal information to frame this profile. You call defending myself from yalls harrasment "combatative".

The only power a user has to combat yalls harrasment is the downvote button or posting and opening themselves up to further harrasment. A downvote is a legitimate form of interaction and is exactly how I plan on interacting with every super mod post going forward.

This all happened after this post, not before it, and I've had dozens of perfectly fine interactions with dozens of users on this site outside of the mods.

Enjoy preventing interaction by constant tone policing.

And I've barely used this site, but the metrics are showing it going down. The mods are literally in another thread, crying to each other about "shouting to the void". So maybe you are coping by pinning the death of your subs on one user who does not appreciate the harrasment.

Well now you know why you are losing users.

Yall pick fights with legitimate interaction in the name of civility to protect shitposting.

Edit: another mod just wrote a long personal attack justifying their behavior again. Deleted it, but I saw it.

I thought it was just a couple problematic mods, I didn't realize yall were forming a mod clique in private dialogues baking this behavior into the community.

[-] Blaze 3 points 6 months ago

Please leave this community.

I am asking this calmly. The vocabulary ("choking to death", "star shit", "one user who is sick of yall") you use doesn't fit with the atmosphere we want to have here.

There are plenty of other communities here when you can have the kind of interaction you enjoy having.

Have a good one.

[-] nac82@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Hey, I've edited the tone of the targeted communication. Does this fit your guidelines?

I understand you have power over both communities and have personal beef, but would it be fair for me to ask a different moderator to input here?

Can you remove yourself due to a conflict of interest?

Can you make a post of the overall discourse that mods can be directed to instead of hashing it out in my thread? My post here is being derailed by personal attacks and you are choosing to kick me out.

This is kind of my entire point about singled out harrasment by stalker mods.

Thanks, you also have a good one.

[-] Blaze 1 points 6 months ago

The edit is better.

About the conflit of interest, feel free to ask input from another mod, but I noticed I'm usually quite lenient on this community (as you may have noticed, I usually ask people to edit their comments rather than remove / ban as you may experienced in other communities).

Also, it's Sunday, people have probably other stuff to do, so you probably won't get an answer until tomorrow.

I thought it was just a couple problematic mods, I didn’t realize yall were forming a mod clique in private dialogues baking this behavior into the community.

There are only a few people keeping the whole thing running. Be it mods, regular posters, admins. I literally just stumbled upon Admiral Patrick in another community talking about the last X-Men show. It's more of a small town environment where you stumble upon the same people everywhere rather than a cult with gurus.

Which comes back to your point about harassment. In my case, I didn't plan to encounter you on both of the communities I mod, but here we are. Would you have posted on !movies@lemmy.world or !moviesandtv@lemm.ee, it would have been a different story (and the mod team on !moviesandtv@lemm.ee isn't really lenient. Trust my, I'm permanently banned there after I suggested changes to the community).

So it's more of a coincidence than harassment (at least in my case).

[+] Servais@dormi.zone 1 points 6 months ago

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[-] nac82@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

You are only one of the mods I'm complaining about launching personal stalking attacks across communities, though. Other people are free to call me a jerk, combatative, shitty, and plenty of other phrases here openly, but I can't say somebody has bad taste as they shit on my post made to help people.

And do you not see how you are just breaking down the description of being outside the clique to being inside the clique?

To the people on the inside, it's a homely group of friends, but to newcomers, it is a wall of judgment that has natural allegiances.

I'd prefer we don't hash this out here, but since as you said I don't have any other option, I'll spill my purse.

You didn't moderate the comments that were shitposting in your movies community, trashing on new input. You decided to single me out over a joke response against shitposters.

You didn't moderate the direct personal attack paragraph written as:

People who make their whole personality about Star Wars, or Star Trek, or Marvel Comics, or whatever...

Are just as bad as potheads who make their whole personality revolve around the fact that they smoke pot.

The problematic line for you was

Sorry you have bad taste. I hope it gets better for you

And now you follow me back here to dismiss my input and defend personal attacks.

Like for real?

[-] Blaze 1 points 6 months ago

How exactly do you want me to moderate a post that you deleted yourself?

[-] nac82@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

For one, most of the direct attack complaints are about mods in this not deleted post we are discussing in. I'm assuming you are wanting to single out the one comment that had a 30 minute lifespan in my 2 hour thread before I deleted the thread.

There was enough time for the comment to be made, for me to respond, for you to respond to my response, for me to respond to your response to my response, and again for you to leave nother response.

The direct personal attack was in that thread for half of that time, and our discussion was happening in direct relation to people shitting on a 25 year old film in a thread of me trying to talk to fans about a theatrical rerun.

So outcome:

You get to keep the commenters who will shit on new input, and you will lose somebody who was willing to post and engage in your sub in a positive way, because his joke was too mean to shitposters.

But really, the question on your moderatorship is why are you letting people launch personal attacks on me here? Why are you attacking me personally.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to OP

How is saying somebody's input has no value different from saying somebody has bad taste?

[-] Blaze 1 points 6 months ago

You deleted your post at 4:43

The comment we are talking about came in at 4:46

On top of that, when I saw your report, the post had already been deleted.

For the other comment, I already told you there that it's fine to express criticism against a movie, less against a person.

why are you letting people launch personal attacks on me here

Because what the other person expressed makes sense in this context. You complain about mods power tripping, but you are overtly agressive yourself, as I noticed myself in the other community. You could have let the post live, I would have moderated the "whole personality" comment, and we would have moved on. Instead you remove the post, all of your comments, so that people wanting to have a look at what happened cannot anymore. I encountered this behavior in the past, it's widely used by trolls to cover their tracks.

Why are you attacking me personally.

It's more of a deescalation technique rather than an attack. Also, you are not really engaging any conversation here, which is the theme of the community. I let it got since yesterday because I think it's good to allow people to express themselves, even if not completely on topic, but based on our conversation, you would probably be better off elsewhere.

[-] nac82@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

So when you invalidate what I'm saying, it's deescelation. When I say the exact same thing, it's a personal attack? Why couldn't that have been me deescelating the needless shitposting in my movies thread?

And according to you, there is appropriate times for personal attacks, but only in response to good faith dialogue, not to shitposters.

Sure.

Why did this post need further deescelation? It's 3 days old and dead. The only people keeping it alive is the follow-up mod clique coming in to launch personal attacks.

And what are these 50+ comments if not a conversation? This is again, you letting your conflict of interest take over, which is why I wanted an alternative mod to stand in and direct all of this non relevant discussion elsewhere.

You want to justify your personal attack while still feeling vindicated in taking action against me. The comparison of your

I wouldn't pay too much attention to Op

To my

sorry you have bad taste

Is off-putting so you want to dismiss my statements again.

It's your community. Feel free to ban me whenever.

[-] nac82@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

For those who want to know what this admin is referencing:

I made a post in the movies sub this morning. I was notifying star wars fans there was a theatrical re-run of Episode 1 on May 4th so they should grab their tickets now.

A group of shitposters came in being assholes ranging from saying Star wars is bad to personal attacks that people who like star wars are insufferable.