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The Pentagon has a massive infusion of military aid for Ukraine “ready to go,” U.S. officials said, once a long-delayed funding measure, which is expected to pass the House this weekend, clears the Senate next week and President Biden signs it into law.

The Defense Department, which has warned that Ukraine would steadily cede more ground to Russian forces and face staggering casualties without urgent action on Capitol Hill, began assembling the assistance package well before the coming votes in a bid to speed the process, these people said.

One official, who like some others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the Biden administration’s planning, said that once the $95 billion foreign aid bill is finalized, it would take less than a week for some of the weapons to reach the battlefield, depending on where they are stored. The legislation includes about $60 billion for Ukraine, with most of the remainder slated for Israel and U.S. partners in Asia.

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[-] capem@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

Why are we sending them equipment when they're going to lose?

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 13 points 1 year ago

So that they don't lose? Why do you think they are going to lose?

[-] capem@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

Because they are are fighting a better military.

[-] golli@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

And that automatically means that the larger military will win? Looking at Vietnam and Afghanistan ..

[-] capem@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Vietnam and afghanistan are identical to the war in Ukraine.

It's not like the US is on the other side of the world, or anything.

Nope. They're exactly the same.

Anything to avoid admitting Ukraine is going to lose and you've been taken for a ride 🤣

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Lol, the tankers with egg carton “reactive armor” and conscripts without shoes? Better than whom?

[-] Apollo42@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Its June 1940. France has surrendered, the continent has fallen, and what remains of the British army has just evacuated from Dunkirk leaving all of its heavy equipment behind. At this stage of the war the British army is outnumbered at least 12-1 by an enemy that is infitely better equipped than it.

Should Britain have surrendered to the Nazis because they were losing to "a better army?".

[-] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

I don't think they are going to lose. But at the very least it's good to negotiate from a position of power. IE a banks going to loan money to someone with a job vs a homeless dude..

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Russia's war with Ukraine has done far more to weaken the Russian military than anything during the entire Cold War. Including the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

Why wouldn't America send Ukraine equipment?

[-] capem@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I guess Putin shouldn't have chosen to invade Ukraine.

[-] capem@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Then his military wouldn't be cannon fodder.

[-] capem@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

Looks like Ukrainians are cannon fodder for the West. Lol.

[-] xor 4 points 1 year ago

They're literally getting invaded by Russia in a defensive war for the very existence of their country. That's not "for the west".

Regardless, whether you look at it as a moral duty to the Ukrainian people, or as a self interested opportunity to protect Europe and weaken Russia, funding Ukraine is an efficient investment.

[-] capem@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They would've surrendered by now if not for the belief they could win with western equipment.

Did you think they were going to take back Crimea? At what point do you acknowledge you may be a victim of propaganda?

Answer: never. Propaganda is only the tool of the enemy, always. Lol.

funding Ukraine is an efficient investment.

That’s not “for the west”.

Funding Ukraine is an efficient investment for the west...

Might wanna brush up on your reading comprehension.

[-] xor 5 points 1 year ago

you may be a victim of propaganda

He says, predicting the outcome of a frozen, attritional war with total certainty

If the Ukrainians didn't think they had a chance they could win, they wouldn't be bothering to fight

Yes, funding Ukraine is an efficient investment for the west, but that doesn't mean that the Ukrainians fighting are doing so for the benefit of the west rather than themselves.

Propaganda is only the tool of the enemy, always

Well that's just not true - in fact the vast majority of propaganda is focused on their own sides lol

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure why you think that's funny.

Is that the sort of thing that makes you laugh? People dying?

[-] xor 3 points 1 year ago

I know right, those poor conscripted russians getting slaughtered on the frontline for Putin's imperialism

[-] capem@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What about the poor conscripted Ukrainians getting slaughtered because they've been duped into thinking they can win?

You don't ever think about those, huh.

[-] khannie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Welcome back with the new burner o/

[-] Apollo42@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Something a lot of US fascists asked in the first few years of WW2 when it came to arms shipments to Britain!

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