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[-] uriel238 44 points 7 months ago

To be fair, in the aughts the US George W. Bush administration totally did torture for no good reason (except so that plutocrats could enjoy knowing brown people were suffering) and the US public let them get away with it, and even let the congressional report stay classified.

The Palestinian genocide's been part of the plan for a century now, though it was originally a British colonial plan.

The only difference now is that news media moguls don't control the narrative. Hopefully that's enough to get them to stop, but I doubt it.

Watching Iran's recent attempted revolution, violence is always unthinkable until the hour it's inevitable. They'll keep killing until enough people decide collectively it's time to kill back. Our plutocrats would rather scorch the Earth than lose their power, and this is exactly what is happening. Even if we just want them to be part of an egalitarian society with the rest of us.

I'm pretty sure it's not a good thing that Mahsa Amini has to die before Molotov cocktails are thrown and precincts are burned, if that is what is necessary to stop genocide. The problem is, it isn't going to help Mahsa Amini. It didn't help Armita Geravand. Whoever triggers the next public unrest won't be helped either, so this paradigm sucks.

So I wonder if all of Palestine will have to be lost before the people of the world are willing to take seriously the threat that our plutocratic elite present to the rest of us (and themselves). I hope not. But then I'm afraid the death of five million Palestinians still won't be enough.

[-] Shampiss@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago

Why would Britain want a Palestinian genocide?

And are you saying that a nation other than Gaza and maybe Iran planned the October 7 attacks?

[-] the_best_nerd 20 points 7 months ago
[-] Shampiss@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago

What is more likely?

Hamas's founding document states their purpose is to eliminate Israel. Then they attack Israel

Britain wants land, their best plan is war in the middle east. Israel thinks that allowing an attack on itself and starting a military conflict in the middle east is a reliable and reasonable plan.

My guy, there's no one controlling the world. The world is a mess. World leaders are not playing 4D chess with each other. They're just looking out for the next election. Why do you so quickly go to conspiracy rather than incompetence? The world is chaotic because people are incompetent and there's 8 Billion of them.

[-] the_best_nerd 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No one's playing 4D chess but it's not wise to think people aren't opportunistic, or might be following in the footsteps of people who came before - remember the US contra affairs? This kind of shit has been happening forever, and truthfully - even without literally funding their national bogeyman, there's a lot of things one can do to create their own enemy. Have you ever wondered why Hamas hates Israel? I'll give you a hint - it has to do with powerful people colonizing land.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter

The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. Hamas wants an end to Israel as an Apartheid State, not an extermination of all Israelis. Under Ahmed Yassin in the 1990's, truces were offered in exchange for Israeli to withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank to the 1967 borders. The 2017 Revised charter explicitly accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter.

The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he's not Palestinian.

History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012

[-] Shampiss@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago
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