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Famous kitty succeeded in banning declawing in Denver
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this post was submitted on 14 Apr 2024
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Hell yeah, please ban declawing. It's inhumane. And no, I'm not a nut or even a vegetarian (and nothing wrong with vegetarians), I'm just sane.
The little silicone claw caps work well and they don’t seem to mind wearing them after you get shredded to pieces putting them on.
Scratching post plus some gentle tutoring did the trick for my two. I like that they have something to scratch - it looks comfy as fuck, they stretch while clawing stuff.
My friend uses the caps on his cats because they sleep on the scratching post then claw up the and furniture and get caught in the drapes. Lol
I have a some variety of scratcher on every corner of the couch. I have some rope ones, carpet ones, a low one. My cat really just prefers to scratch the couch. Any attempt to persuade her to scratch the scratchers, she sees as a fun game and scratches the couch more.
With my two, when they were ready to scratch the wrong thing, I simply picked them up and put them near the scratching post. No sweet talk, no scolding either - I didn't want to encourage them to scratch the furniture for attention.
My cat loves being picked up, so she would do it again for that alone.
also you can still clip the claws if you know what you are doing
Just don't clip up to the pink part and youre fine. I use regular fingernail clippers for that.
My wife showed me some advice online to hold the scruff of their neck in your mouth like a mama cat would while clipping. I tried it and I was able to clip all the claws on my 23 pound cat by myself. He barely freaked out and he's a huge baby scaredy cat about everything.
I did get a mouthful of hair but it was worth it.
My cat chews them off; but if you can get your cat to accept them, very helpful
Being vegan is the "just sane" response to learning what we do to animals and the impact animal agriculture has on the environment 🤷
can you give an example?
i'm genuinely curious because outside of spiritualism type nonsense the information i've found in online and in-person american vegan communities has been pretty solid, and i'd like to know if i've been lied to.
Yeah idk what this person is on about, the vast majority of vegans are completely regular people that just want to reduce their environmental impact, you wouldn't even know they were vegan unless you asked.
I'd be opening up a can of worms that I'm not sure I have the mental energy to organize, source, and talk about in length right now. I will say that if you've found a tolerant and science-accepting vegan group, that's super awesome and honestly not as common as it should be.
Here's a few veeeery summarized points:
i agree that many vegans have wacky/woowoo/incorrect beliefs and it's a real shame, but a broken clock is right twice a day
Animals eat animals
Humans are animals
er, nevermind
Speaking as a heavy windows gamer who has Linuix as servers and workstations for over 20 years...
lemmy moment
I think a big issue with lots of vegans is that they don't know how capitalism works. People think that capitalism is just supply and demand, so if people don't buy dairy or meat less animals will be slaughtered. But that just isn't how it works. They can just raise the demand by making Got Milk campaigns and lobbying the government. Not buying a steak at the grocery store is not going to change the behavior of a multi-million dollar company even if hundreds of people go vegan.
What do you feed cats?
https://petfoodshop.com/
https://www.benevo.com/
idk if they link to the studies on vegan pets but they tend to have equivalent or better health results, although more studies are needed
Edit: here's a review https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9860667/
Yeah, so something you should know about vegan cat food, is that none of them properly fulfill all the cats needs. They can claim it, and they can potentially even keep a cat alive and mostly nutritionally balanced, but it varies from cat to cat, and food to food.
And honestly, they are obligate carnivores. Just because you might be able to safely feed certain cats vegan foods, doesn’t mean that they should be.
And no, cats that eat vegan are absolutely not going to have equivalent or better health results. You’re literally feeding them things they weren’t designed to eat.
I don't have time to look up the studies that have been done on it, but you're just not correct. In the studies I've seen they tend to have equivalent or better health outcomes. If you find research that says otherwise I'm open to reading it, but just your intuition that feeding them things they wouldn't eat in the wild means they can't be healthy doesn't cut it for me
The studies you’re talking about were small, and typically self reported by the pet owners. If they were a human study they wouldn’t be enough to go off of.
Best research paper out there is actually looking at the studies in question, and isn’t specifically for cats but pets in general: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9860667/
And it explicitly states that much of the data was gathered through survey, not a controlled study.
Imagine if we decided that ice cream for breakfast was healthy because we sent out a bunch of surveys and people said they saw health benefits.
"However, there is little evidence of adverse effects arising in dogs and cats on vegan diets. In addition, some of the evidence on adverse health impacts is contradicted in other studies. Additionally, there is some evidence of benefits, particularly arising from guardians’ perceptions of the diets. Given the lack of large population-based studies, a cautious approach is recommended. If guardians wish to implement a vegan diet, it is recommended that commercial foods are used."
Thanks for linking the review! Of course more and better research is needed, but a cautious approach like they recommend makes sense to me. If you feed a cat a vegan diet, you need to monitor their urine for crystals (there are special litters that do this, or stuff you can put on their regular litter), and you should know you can't switch them overnight. But it is possible for cats to be healthy and happy on a vegan diet.
Your intuition that vegan cat food is as healthy for cats as ice cream sandwiches are to humans is not enough, and when you look at the nutrition content it doesn't even make sense. An ice cream sandwich with all the necessary micro- and macro- nutrients a human needs to thrive would be a better comparison, and guess what, a nutritionally complete ice cream sandwich would be fine! I've gone for long stretches where I eat nothing but meal replacement shakes like plenny and huel because I'm lazy, and it's fine. You can find at least one person on reddit who's done it very strictly for years with no problems.
if you're going to fight this battle, you also need to fight it against non-vegan cat kibbles, many of which are worse for cats (i.e. less nutritionally complete) than vegan kibbles like benevo or evolution
Vegan cat food just isn't really there yet.
We had 3 scratch-happy cats and quelled them with scratching posts. No declawing needed.
We just have outdoor chairs in our living room. They are hard for the cats to tear up, and cheaper to replace then proper furniture.
Indeed. There are so many solutions that work besides declawing!