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Iran launches drone attack against Israel as Biden rushes to White House
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Yeah, Iran sucks and everything, but didn't Israel start this by bombing their embassy in Syria? If Israel had been held to account for that, maybe we wouldn't be looking at yet another flashpoint involving a nuclear armed state.
I don't know what anyone expected Iran to do here.
Israel bombed their embassy in Syria as a response to Iran helping Hezbollah and Hamas. At one point an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps spokesman said October 7th was a response to the death of Quds Force commander Qasem Soleimani, although they later retracted that. The Israelis wanted Soleimani gone because of his role in supporting Hamas and Hezbollah and earlier attacks on Israel, including his involvement in the 2006 war in Lebanon. Etc. etc. etc. on and on back to before Iran became Iran.
The middle-east is an illustration of the idiom "An Eye for an Eye Will Make the Whole World Blind".
If we keep going back, Israel has committed far too many hostilities that were never responded to. Hell, they bomb syria most weeks without any retaliation form Syria. They commit horrors against west bank citizens all the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel
Can you guess how many of these were vetoed by USA
Uhuh.
Anyway, breaking news is that Iran has also launched cruise missiles, so now Israel's going to retaliate with a significant strike against Iran. And in case you haven't been paying attention, Israel are less than great on proportionality.
Never a dull day.
Israel doing more genocide. Disappointing but not surprising.
Come on dude, don’t dilute the word for every atrocity. Nothing between Iran and Israel is remotely a genocide , and using that word here diminishes the suffering in Gaza and other places
Call it whatever you want, I literally don't care about emantics and I won't argue them. It doesn't discount the horror that Israel commits.
Yep. Most places the UN would come in and try to settle everyone down, but the US basically blocks anything like that, and it's possible that's mostly because of mystical prophecies they believe.
iran is funding and arming hamas, hizballah and the houthis, all of which were attacking israel.
in addition to their attacks on usa bases.
don't forget that those fucks also support Russia with their drones...
Yup. I've seen a disturbing amount of people pretending Iran are the good guys just because Israel are also the bad guys, as if it's impossible for multiple sides in a conflict to be awful
The Good Guy Iran narrative is so bizarre. It's like applauding someone for "showing restraint" because they hired a hitman instead of killing someone themselves.
It’s also not covered within international law to fund an attack by independent groups, only sovereign nations.
Funding Ukraine makes it legally Ukraine’s action. Funding Houthis makes it legally Iran’s action.
Wait, now you motherfuckers understand how multiple sides can be bad?
All I keep hearing from people like you is how Israel must be fucking great because fucking did something wrong so Israel can’t do anything else wrong
Who are "people like you?" I've seen plenty of people who are capable of recognizing that Israel's behavior has been atrocious and Iran funds and sponsors terrorists and Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Homie go check my history, you'll see I am far from a fan of Israel and the IDF
Fair enough I got heated, mea culpa.
I apologize
There are no good guys in the middle east. Only civilians that are angry about being shit on.
Yes there are. Hero doctors and nurses who risk their lives to save civillian patients. Aid workers. World Central Kitchen workers.
That's the side we should be on.
Maybe you didn't know yet. But Israel sold $ 400 Million worth drones to Russia. And they have been used in the war against Ukraine by Russia. Meanwhile Israel did not sanction Russia after its invasion of Ukraine.
https://www.haaretz.com/2010-10-14/ty-article/israel-signs-400-million-deal-to-sell-spy-drones-to-russia/0000017f-dbe8-db5a-a57f-dbea5c4b0000
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/report-russia-purchased-ten-israeli-drones-415575
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-photos-claim-to-show-downed-russian-drone-with-israeli-origin/
Note that Israel continued to sell drones to Russia after the Crimea annexation by Russia. So it can also not be said, that they didn't knew what Russia would do with them. Israel was happy to aid Russia's invasion from the very beginning.
Wasn't Hamas created in response to Israeli aggression?
Not defending Hamas, but they don't exist in a vacuum.
The religious extremism that became Hamas was funded and grew to power with Israeli funding.
As usual in the Middle East, the answer is "it's complicated". Anyone claiming that either Israel or Iran is 100% good or 100% bad is wrong.
And continued by Netanyahu himself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
The Israeli far-right gained power in part due to Hamas, PLO and Hezbollah attacks.
It's an endless spiral of violence, reprisal and even more violence.
Meanwhile Israel funds and arms terrorist groups in Iran like the Mojahiden-e-khalq or Al-Nusra in Syria, in addition to their cyber attacks on Iran and assassinations of Iranian scientists.
al-nusra in syria is funded by qatar, which syrians are suing for that.
the mek was allegedly supported also by israel, along with the saudis and the usa.
which had to start after their funding and cooperation with saddam hussein. so after 2003. much after iran's support for hamas since the 1990's and the founding of hizballah in the 1980's.
and since then they've barely done anything other than the 2 assassinations related to iran's nuclear program. not even close to hamas, houthis' or hizballah's actions. and they barely have any weapons or funding compared, let alone thousands of rockets and drones.
Of course Saudi tries to blame their enemy Qatar. That was more of an accusation than any solid proof, at which point the CIA likely helped them to since they were toppling Assad.
Meanwhile according to Wikipedia:
Yes, it does, and it sucks. It's basically war over there. That said, attacking an embassy is a line where Israel's actions should have been condemned. The point is not that Iran is in the right in any way, the point is Israel is just as wrong here.
Iran's response isn't proportional though. Israel made a single strike on military leaders using a nearby embassy. Launching dozens of drones is an escalation.
It's not even a smart escalation. It allows Israel to claim they were attacked disproportionately and launch strikes on Iran's actual military in country. Iran has much worse defenses against cruise missiles and drones. Now they may lose what sympathy they had from other countries.
I predict the US will free the ship Iran took today within a few weeks. Maybe the Navy will knock out all Iran's anti-air radar in the south, just as a show of force, and then not attack anything. That would be a good way to tell them to stop without killing.
The US just tried to negotiate with Houthis over the attacks in the Red Sea, an ~~omission~~ admission that things aren't going so well. Iran is in a stronger position than Houthis, I think your over estimating the US right now.
Israel escalated by striking an embassy, breaking the Vienna convention, to Iran arming insurgents. That was Israel launching four missiles at Iranian sovereign territory, targeting high-ranking Iranian military officials, on ground that is considered to be sacrosanct internationally to preserve diplomacy in times of war.
The thing is, the drones are proportional retaliation, but still, it should be on both sides to try to de-escalate.
What I see though is that Israel wasn't even condemned for the attack, in fact they tried to claim it wasn't even an embassy they hit. Now the problem is that Iran, with its leadership and government being how it is, can't let this go as they are humiliated. When Trump killed Soleimani, which was a similar strike (but not at an embassy!), Iran launched attacks at US bases, wounding US troops which the US let go without retaliation. That's how it got de-escalated.
Your point with "let's humiliate Iran by performing a show of force" is that they won't take it and de-escalate. It will make it worse. I'm not saying we should let Iran walk all over us, but stepping in to cover one shitty side against another will just lead to either war or another 9/11.
You didn't mention the ship they took. If you think the missiles and drones (dozens) are proportional, then the ship makes no sense. Commandeering a civilian ship is clearly extra and disproportionate. They're probably not going to give that up without getting something in return.
The leaders of Iran are desperate to seem tough to their domestic audience, like Putin. That's why they did this. Unfortunately for the people of Iran, this is going to hurt them further with sanctions.
Iran attacked the specific military installations that Israel used to perform their highly illegal attack on the Iranian embassy. This is the most textbook example of textbook examples of appropriate, proportional and measured self-defense we have seen in a very long time in the entire region. The relevant thing to count is not the number of missiles or drones, but the number of targets and their relevance to the case.
Let's not forget that it was the US that started this trend of killing Iranian generals.
Let’s not forget the same thing I have to say every fucking time in one of these posts: Just because the United States did something wrong does not mean others should follow
You guys need to learn from our fuck ups!
But maybe it wasn't judged as a fuck up. Maybe it just gave license for others to replicate.
No I stand here and tell you as a natural born American that our military actions have an infinitesimally small good to bad ratio.
We have like the independence war and WWII and even that has atomic bombs involved.
WWI was just a giant clusterfuck and idk that there were good and bad guys in that one.
WWII at least had hitler going after the Jews, gays, and non-aryans, plus japan going after China and well honestly I don’t know why people remember the holocaust so much and forget all about the super fucked up shit Japan did.
Good/Bad isn't the point. The point is if you do something that shouldn't even be on the table and get away with it, it's now on the table for everyone.
Has the US ever bombed an embassy? Knowing your post history, I have a feeling you left out that detail for a reason.
Yup
Good, 25 years ago and not a part of this conflict. And it was a huge issue. The OP is trying to omit that part of the story.
In any case, hopefully Israel gets what it deserves for the genocide it's committing.
The Syrian Israeli strike was not on Iran's embassy. It was on a building next door. An embassey is where you practice consultant affairs. Having a place to discuss military strategy doesn't count.
As an apologist for the genocide, I know why you do it, I just want other people to see your strategy.
Have you ever worked on your vocabulary? It needs freshoning
Israel doesn't care about MAD
Theocratic dictatorships tend to be like that. Iran does not care about MAD either, I reckon.