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[-] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

Is it less than using fossil fuels for power exclusively? If so then it's a step in the right direction. Yes I know it sounds like I'm shilling for BP now but we get lost in the doom spiral so fast we forget we are indeed making progress. We just have to keep their feet to the fire or...erm... solar panel?

[-] Rhaedas@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

In the spirit of the comic - how is the solar panel made?

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 36 points 1 year ago
[-] Zorque@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Wow, solar panels that last forever? That's quite the technological achievement...

[-] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

This is the dumbest fucking argument. I’m sorry but what point do you think you’re making?

Is it imperfect? Yes. Just like ALL OTHER THINGS. Is it a major improvement compared to burning coal? OBVIOUSLY YES.

[-] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The obvious answer is to live in a yurt, drink rain water, and never use electricity again that you don't make from a bicycle-powered generator.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Its not an argument, its a joke.

You must see enemies around every corner... I'd recommend talking to a therapist about that.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I would, but they're all out to get me.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Oh, your solution doesn't break the laws of physics? Trash it, we're gonna keep burning shit to make more shit we can burn forever until you have a magic solution or until we kill the planet"

  • You

The hundred year solution is nuclear. The thousand year solution is colonizing other planets.

Ultra dense energy has its place, namely where weight and volume are critical like in aerospace. Everything else can deal with not putting more carbon and worse things in the air.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You're taking an off-hand joke comment pretty seriously there, bud.

I'm a proponent of things like solar and nuclear, but having some kind of fantasy position of them being perfect technologies with no downsides whatsoever is a special kind of delusional.

You want to actually convince people of their benefits? Stop making up dream scenarios and provide realistic examples.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

You can buy solar panels at Costco.

I can't help you with any more of a real world scenario. If you want to offset some dollar amount of your energy use with home-grown juice, that's the easiest way to get it done right now.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can build a small amount of wind power from old car parts. If you don't have a Costco membership.

[-] kELAL 7 points 1 year ago

Solar panels lasting for decades here and now, that's close enough for all practical purposes. Solar has a proven track record, hydrogen technologies never made it past gospel.

[-] Rhaedas@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Solar panels (PV) degrade over time and use and have to be replaced and disposed of. A better case would be for things like solar furnaces that are simpler, but most of the time solar implies PV panels.

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, no. It's not. However, there is some nuance here. Even though their approach is more polluting, it allows infrastructure down the line such as modern cars to be upgraded to use hydrogen.

The hydrogen factory can then later be replaced by a non-polluting one. Much like how a lot of places switched to electricity while the power was being generated by natural gas. Some places moved to using nuclear later, and poof, carbon neutral.

In the end a transition is easier to divvy up progress with small architecture changes, not small bits of absolute carbon emissions / pollution

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago
[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

bp themselves still talks about "if we can decarbonise it's production" (it being hydrogen). They have published in more detail, but they've not made it as easy to find. If you do some searching you can find their approach in more detail tho.

For the rest: knowing an electric device does not care where the electricity came from. You can double check this by seeing if the same smartphone exists all over the planet.

https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/what-we-do/hydrogen.html

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Not enough progress fast enough. We're kind of on a clock here, we can't see exactly where we are, and we might already be too late to do anything.

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