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Photoshop.
And yeah, no, please, don't come over and mention Gimp and Kryta and all the others. I get it, they're cool for the stuff they do. They just aren't the all in one package that Photoshop is or have as powerful tools specifically for photo editing. Photoshop would require a Blender-style major effort to replicate and Gimp just isn't up to it. I wish it were. Photoshop is at the perfect intersection of being uniquely capable and walled off behind the single crappiest ecosystem in software.
Nobody likes Adobe, nobody wants to work with Adobe. Nobody can avoid Photoshop. That's just the world we live in and I don't like it.
Well, counterpoint: Photoshop tries to be an "everything for everybody" app, and GIMP/Krita don't need to compare to that, as little as any user needs all the features of Photoshop.
Call me nobody, then. I worked with the Adobe suite professionally for 15+ years, haven't touched it for the past six. You won't find a single 1:1 replacement. It's just a matter of quitting and accepting the individual limits of different alternatives.
It's a groupthink issue anyways. 3DSmax/Maya was the same for a long time, and "everyone" was saying Blender is not an alternative. And then some big companies switched to Blender and suddenly people stopped complaining about it. And while Blender did improve during that time, it did not improve so substantially that it really made all the difference.
It's absolutely that, like the office admin workers who swear by Microsoft Office over open alternatives no matter how insidious Windows becomes. "I know this one tool and you will have to wring it from my cold dead hands"...
"I find your conditions... acceptable"
Based. Just curious, what do you use for vector editing software? (For Illustrator-type work)
Not much, honestly. Fortunately I was never very reliant on vector graphics.
Inkscape IMO never really matured to a working solution, certainly not comparable to Illustrator, but I know others have better experiences.
this pretty much. Everytime i see people bitching about editors and editing, it's almost always keybinds. Which is literally a skill issue. Or something will be organized slightly differently, also a skill issue. Or it's feature set will be like, marginally different.
It's almost never something that's going to stop you from doing what you wanted originally. Your visions change, your tools change, your ways adapt, it's how the world works, it's how we work. It's how everything has always been.
I agree that it depends on your use case. If you're an artist or illustrator you can make do with a number of alternatives and just go elsewhere for photo editing, and if you're just doing basic adjustments to photos rather than detailed edits you can figure it out as well.
Photohop is harder to bypass if you're a jack-of-all-trades user mostly doing image editing but also dabbling in the other options from time to time. That's not to say you can't do it if you try, but it's going to be less convenient and add friction to your workflow.
Yeah, Jack-of-all-trades here as well. For sure it's less convenient to have to switch programs for different purposes but there is also the added convenience of not having to find pirated and cracked Adobe warez.
This sounds like Stockholm syndrome. You are just too familiar with Photoshop, so using anything else is hard and less efficient.
In photography there is this mantra about "the most important part is right behind the camera". A good photographer is not a good Nikon user, or good Canon user. A good photographer can deliver decent pictures with a potato camera if needed.
Sure, a potato camera is less efficient for any work that an actual good one. So it's good to invest in a good brand. But the point is: if you are not capable to make average results with a potato software, the problem is not in the software.
You know why the person themselves is the important part of this equation?
Because they know what tools to use for which purpose.
For example, GIMP is only now getting non-destructive editing through adjustment layers, which is such an indispensable feature for important projects
it's not like you could ever just copy layers or something. That's never been a feature in gimp, not once.
I understand your point, but to act like that is the sole thing stopping people from using, is kinda silly. (idk maybe i'm wrong and adjustment layers are this incredible feature, with never before discovered productivity benefits or something, i'm assuming not though)
They make things so much easier, having to make copies of every layer every time just to keep the original in case you need to re-do something half an hour later is super annoying.
Especially if you do multiple different things with a layer. Do you really have the patience to make backuo copies of a layer after every little edit you apply to it?
And then let's say step 2 of 5 didn't turn out like you want. Backup copies or not, you still have to re-do everything from 2 to 5 because of GIMPs destructive nature as of right now
oh so it's basically like a COW fs but for graphics editing? That's pretty slick. I'm sure you could implement something fairly similar to that natively, though it would be a decent bit of work.
It's going to be part of the 3.0 release, after what feels like an eternity. The 2.99 dev release has it already, I might try that
Actually, I'd much prefer a FOSS alternative of Affinity Photo instead of Photoshop.
I'd be happy if the Affinity suite worked on Linux :(
yeah, I'd totally pay for it.
Photopea. Not foss, but a free clone of photoshop.
idk honestly i just don't think i really believe this take.
The only really objective aspect of it is going to be user complacency. It's possible you've been using PS for 10-20 years now. And switching seems like an impossibility. But honestly, given the feature set, or the non existing feature set, i don't think it really matters.
Ultimately you can still do graphics editing in GIMP, and you can still do graphics editing in PS, it's more about your adaptability and flexibility, rather than skill set, and software. I've used both photoshop, gimp, and photopea. They all do the same thing, photopea is worse than either. GIMP is more featured, and doesn't come with adobe, PS has AI editing, and probably like 2 other features, and also the copyrighted color pack that you have to pay ransom for.
They all work fine, stop complaining, you'll live. Maybe that's just the doomerism peaking through or something, but honestly, it's such a vapid complaint IMO.
Also would be nice to have open source ecosystem with blender ,then open source pro level video editing like da vinci and open source photoshop.
I haven't gone back to Blender's built in editor and postprocessing suite. I hear they did some stuff to it in 4.0.
Still, yeah, I end up going to DaVinci because Blender editing is more like Gimp Photoshopping than it is like Blender 3D modelling and rendering.
It does seem like a hopeless situation sometimes. I used to be a graphic designer and honestly it is very difficult to switch to any other program that is cohesive. Especially with the addition of AI features in Photoshop (keyword, I know, but generative fill can be extremely helpful in some cases). The Affinity suite is barely even able to keep up, and they have employees that are paid. Cross-compatibility and file type standards are a massive issue too, let alone the functionality itself