Non-binary seems like it could have several non-compatible meanings, so I wanted to list some of those meanings and see if there are any others out there I don't know.
One way I could think of non-binary is as being a kind of third gender category, like there are men, women, and non-binary people. In this sense of non-binary a butch woman who considers themselves a woman would not be non-binary because they are a woman.
Sometimes non-binary is used like "genderqueer" is sometimes used, as a generic description of anyone who doesn't fit perfectly in the narrow confines of the binary genders (i.e. men and women). In this sense a butch woman could see themselves as a woman, but also as genderqueer and non-binary, as they do not conform to binary gender norms for women.
Another way non-binary seems to be used (related to genderqueer in its historical context) is as a political term, an identity taken up by otherwise cis-sexual and even cis-gendered people who wish to resist binary gender norms and policing. In this sense even a femme cis-sexual woman might identify as non-binary. Sometimes this political identity label might come with a gender expression that cuts against the gender expectations for the assigned sex at birth, but it doesn't have to. (I recently met two people whose gender expressions matched their assigned sex at birth but who identified as non-binary in this political sense.)
I was wondering what other meanings of non-binary are out there, and how they are commonly used.
Note: gatekeeping what is "really" non-binary seems pointless to me, since I agree with Wittgenstein that "language is use".
I know people get heated about policing what a word means (and I am guilty of this myself), but in the interest of inclusion, pluralism, and general cooperation in our community I think we can find a way to communicate with overlapping and different meanings of a shared term.
What's your definition for being trans?
Someone who is the opposite gender than the one they were assigned at birth.
Trans man: I was born a woman, but I feel like a man.
Trans woman: I was born a man, but I feel like a woman.
NB: I was born a man/woman, but I feel like something else.
I would call that binary trans, and define "trans" more generally
Oh interesting, do you consider non-binary people to be trans?
No, that's why they have a unique label. "Trans" as a prefix means "across" or "of the other side." Non-binary fall completely outside of the traditional binary gender terms. They are only similar in that they concern how one feels on the inside, despite what they may look like on the outside.
For the whole movement of gender identity, though, I would think it's okay to categorize them all as trans simply for the sake of brevity, though. Some may feel like that's enabling erasure, though.
It's interesting because when I talk to people, the most common meaning of trans that is used is more like what you are saying, usually it means someone who has transitioned to another gender from the one they were assigned at birth.
Check this out from Susan Stryker's Transgender History (from 2008):
It's interesting to me because Stryker and other authors have opted to use trans and transgender as an umbrella term similar to how genderqueer is used (which includes drag queens, cross-dressers, etc.). It's a politically savvy move to maintain a big tent, but it can be confusing sometimes when talking to someone, it feels like I have to essentially sniff out what meanings they have for different labels.
For example, I tend to consider non-binary people as definitionally trans, but that's because I think of trans as just meaning almost "gender-illegal" or something like that.
Still, I understand what you mean, as trans does literally mean across and implies a binary setup. Before I realized I was trans, I definitely did not think non-binary meant trans, it's only after a lot of reading and thinking that I have found these meanings have shifted under my feet (to my obvious detriment sometimes).
I think it's harder than to just say they either 100% are trans or 100% aren't because there are people who identify as neither, as an example I'm Isogender. To say people 100% are is invalidating towards those who identify as neither, and to say they 100% aren't invalidates those who identify as trans. The real answer is that it's complicated and dependent on the person.
Just want to say thanks for expanding my knowledge. First time I have heard about isogender.
When I say non-binary is trans definitionally, I'm describing something about how I am using the words and how their meanings are related to one another. But those aren't the only way those words are used and not the only way they are related, so while it might seem like I'm saying it applies to 100% of cases, I'm only saying that in that established context. In my mind words and meanings are established contextually so as to help communication.
If someone explains they are isogender and therefore explicitly don't identify as trans, they might technically fit my definition of being trans but there is now grounds for accommodating a different way of using that word so as to not disrespect or fail to communicate with that person.
Sure, some people will double-down in their meaning and reject someone else's meaning, but this is not always so helpful to the purposes of communication, and it certainly indicates a power dynamic and hierarchy.
It can be hard because dominant meanings of words tend to have an easier time going unchallenged, so it can be harder to get a new word or meaning to be accepted. This is a common tactic conservatives take, to simply appeal to "common sense" meanings and spurn any attempt to show why those might not work in one context or another. It is a simple view that is enabled by the power and dominance that view has, the fact that there is a view that doesn't need to be explained gives it a lot of power.
All that said, isogender is a term I learned for the first time earlier this morning, so I admit I don't have much context for the term, what it might be like to feel isogender, or how isogender people place themselves in relation to others. I'm curious to learn, though!
I think the best way of describing isogender is people who don't feel connection to assigned-gender (the gender designated to them) but also don't feel trans, the concept of AGAB is irrelevant to their identity and how they identify.
Doesn't this assume someone who is trans might not also feel AGAB is irrelevant to their identity? I think cis and trans are often presented as opposites, i.e. if you are not cis you are trans, if you are not trans you are cis. A minimal definition might start from one direction or the other, but assuming cis is full and absolute alignment of gender identity with AGAB and trans is anything else, wouldn't isogender under those definitions fall under that trans umbrella?
It just sounds like isogender implies a concept of transness that is not as broad as some use it, and implies a kind of trans experience which someone is capable of having or not having, which tells me it thinks of being trans as a more narrow and discrete kind of concept (since the umbrella term is too broad to encompass much in terms of shared experience).
I sort of understand the motivation, though - I think the most common meaning of trans I encounter strongly implies social and medical transition (along the lines of "transexual", meaning people who transition to live as a different gender than they were assigned at birth). Someone who has some alignment with their AGAB might struggle to feel understood if they called themselves trans, for example, and that seems like a motivation for a new term (though I think a lot of people just use non-binary, genderqueer, or gender non-conforming in a case like that).
That said, depending on the context trans may or may not have such a narrow definition. I often see it used as big tent umbrella term under which any gender non-conforming people belong, even otherwise cis-gendered and cis-sexual cross-dressers or drag performers. This is especially common among activists who rightfully are aware of the importance of political unity in fighting gender oppression and aligning disparate groups under a common banner. In that sense, I would hope isogender people also see themselves as a kind of "trans" in this political sense, even if not in the narrow sense, since there are pragmatic reasons to do so.
Do you know of any accounts of isogender people where they describe their gender experiences? I would be curious to learn more.
I think that Isogender is still different from trans in different ways, even if some trans people have similar feelings of lack of AGAB relevance, Isogender people still aren't trans because we don't feel trans acurately describes us, it's very much a self-identification type of thing, and since trans can have either very fine or very broad (up to all encompassing) definitions there can be a lot of overlap in similarities but they are still different modalities altogether.
Isogender is very rare so there aren't very many accounts of the experiences of us, I've seen a handful of people talking about it but overall I only ever saw a handful of people on Reddit talking about it, and one, maybe two other people on the fediverse who identify as Isogender or one of the other Gender modalities.
Yeah it has to do with differences in experience and identities. Even though there has been a lot of effort to expand and broaden 'trans' it still very much implies something that doesn't resonate with a lot of these people, myself included, hence why other modalities exist.
I see the merit in that but at the same time I'm not really a fan of grouping people under one giant umbrella that also happens to be its own specific thing, i.e. there are trans people who are just trans, binary trans and nothing else. I think recognizing the differences in identities is just as important as the need to unify, and that's why we added the Q+ to LGBT, for all those people with sexuality and gender identities that don't necessarily align with the other 4 categories. Maybe to some this comes across as me trying to separate identities from trans, but I'm not, people can identify as trans if they feel its right for them, I just think they also should be able to not if it doesn't and have that be respected and understood.
The labels “trans femme” and “trans masc” do exist to describe some non-binary identities. I identify as trans femme. I’m AMAB and am on feminising HRT. I am really happy with it’s effects, I had a lot of dysphoria about not having breasts. But every once in a while I’ll wear a binder. I don’t really have any bottom dysphoria though. You can be both, though you can definitely be non-binary and not trans as well.