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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 8 months ago

It's because Trump has said he wants the genocide to be stronger. Biden wants it to end, but isn't doing much to stop it. Trump also wants to go after minorities in the US.

Obama didn't get the same support because his opponent wasn't even close to as bad. Trump has already tried to overturn democracy. Republicans have also put together a plan to innact a Christo-fascist dictatorship (project 2025). The elections with Obama were business as usual. This election is, for many people, life or death, and potentially the last hope for democracy.

Also, Obama was cooler than Biden but he wasn't better. Honestly, I think if you were to compare their actions as president, Biden would be better. He still sucks, but he's much better than I expected (very low bar). They're just not great at communicating what he's done.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Trump has said he wants the genocide to be stronger.

And Mitt Romney said "Double Gitmo". That doesn't absolve Obama or Biden for keeping the illegal torture prison open during their terms.

You don't absolve yourself of genocide by saying "Well, it was either me or Mega-Hitler"

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago

No one is saying they're absolved. Where have you heard that?

The fact of the matter is that if you don't like genocide or gitmo or whatever other horrible things, you should vote for the person who at worst wants to maintain the status quo of horrible things.

That said, Obama wanted to close Gitmo. Biden has also condemned Israel's attacks, and the US has warned them to stop. We've also stopped some military aid to them, but obviously not all. The recent jets, for example, still happened, but they're air-superiority fighters which serve no use against Palestine. We've also continued to send a lot of other defensive aid, though offensive has slowed down if not stopped. To imply Obama or Biden didn't try to do anything is ignorance at best, if not an outright lie. The fact of the matter is that much of it is handled by congress though, and republicans in congress will stop a Democrat from doing essentially anything.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

That said, Obama wanted to close Gitmo.

Obama said he wanted to close Gitmo. He gave up forever at the very first setback.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago

Sure, and we can question it, but we can't know what he will do. My understanding is that he really had not control over that though

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

Oh geeze what's worse a bigger war crime prison or bringing a genocide against Arabs to America?

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