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[-] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

There are plenty of cis women that have higher natural t levels than men, that's why many sports already required people stay under certain t levels before trans sporting rights were even in the question.

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

The effects of increased testosterone last a long time, even if it’s being blocked. And how exactly are testosterone levels being monitored? When? When, if ever, do the athletic advantages of male puberty and testosterone wear off?

People have reasonable and legitimate concerns beyond accusations of transphobia. Sweeping those concerns under the rug and acting like they are unfounded will earn the trans community little support.

[-] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

So you're threatening your support of the trans community based on whether or not people agree with your sports opinions. Or, at least you're implying it's legitimate that people would do so. L take. Transphobic vibes.

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Not agree, but willing to at least engage in a good faith discussion of issues rather than resorting to accusations of transphobia.

[-] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

This is not a good faith discussion on your part and the fact that you don't realize that is why I'm calling you transphobic.

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

You clearly don’t know what a good faith discussion is.

[-] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

A good faith discussion starts with someone not being transphobic, and someone not tone-policing trans people for being concerned about the rampant transphobia on this post

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

Anyone who disagrees with me is transphobic! It’s obviously not possible for me to be wrong!

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

You are wrong.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

Lmao, do you not even know that transition literally involves monitoring your E and T levels like, at least monthly to start with, to see what you know - the fucking dosage you need to suppress T and raise E to the needed level is? When trans women talk about their T levels, like I did ITT, do you think we're just making it up or what?

The advantages wear off pretty quick in terms of strength, but hey I'm fine with banning trans adults from competing if we make sure that future trans people can compete by being allowed to take puberty blockers when they actually need them (pre puberty).

[-] derf82@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

To start, as you say. Certainly there need to be strict rules for pre- and in-competition testing.

And do you have a citation for stating the advantages wear off pretty quick? A science group was established by World Aquatics that determined that some advantages of going through male puberty are permanent.

By all means, if male puberty is blocked, compete.

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