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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

I was with you until that last part lol. I’m not ready for a war.

But yeah, no evidence will persuade people. They have super intense beliefs about trans people because they saw something on Fox News or their social media feed. Confirmation bias and whatnot

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It’s not hard to find evidence to support the skepticism about trans women in sports:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33648944/

I’m curious what evidence you’re talking about?

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago

Yeah. I went from being a fairly progressive trans liberationist to a bit more conservative transmedicalist arguing that sports and healthcare are issues best settled by science and attempt to focus on dysphoria and the physical literal aspects of everything but even that does not work.

No matter how much evidence cis people simply do not believe you, no matter what you say: trans women = bio men or maybe have even more testosterone and thus muscle mass, no matter what they think everyone transitioned because trauma or some psychological social bullshit they made up in their stupid fucking battle of the sexes.

They mostly are either too evil, or too stupid to understand us and I don't really give a shit which is which anymore. It's not always true, but it's a safe assumption.

And yeah I don't want a war either ofc, but I see no other end to society in general as it is now.

We need a fucking trans-ethnostate.

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They mostly are either too evil, or too stupid to understand us and I don't really give a shit which is which anymore. It's not always true, but it's a safe assumption.

You have become what you hate, congrats on your bigotry.

[-] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

If you don't understand why a trans person would need to assume that cis people don't understand trans people, you're really just proving the point

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago

It won't help. Bigotry doesn't get better for separation, it gets worse. People need exposure to the other, to see that trans people aren't some kind of media trope monster, just people. Being an out trans person is one of the best things that people who have passing privilege can do, to reduce the stigma of being trans in society and remove trans people from the scary caricature the media loves to sell.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

I don't give a shit about bigotry or lack thereof as some moral virtue for the oppressor to espouse once we play the optics game well enough, I want my people to be safe and happy.

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago

I don't think that turning away potential allies is how you get that. Queer people as a whole are maybe 20% of the population, on a broad read. Assuming that all queer people are on board and aren't "drop the T" types, that's still far from enough to swing a majority vote. Queer people need cishet allies, and while I do think, "a queer person was mean to me so let them burn," is a mark of someone who has some growth to do, such people exist and every one who could have been a weak ally and instead gets sucked down the alt right pipeline to become a strong enemy makes matters that much harder. I fucking hate that optics is a factor in whether people get fed into woodchippers, but it is, and we ignore that at our peril. Does being harsh at people do anything for the cause but make you feel better? Because of so you'd be better off to go play a violent game for a while, and engage with people in a way that doesn't give them justification to go listen to Matt Walsh and Chaya Raichik later once you cool off.

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