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[-] dsemy@lemm.ee 62 points 7 months ago

It does help prevent actual malware from being downloaded, though, since upstream developers probably won't publish malware on Flathub.

But this is still a half-measure. I don't understand why Red Hat and Canonical don't treat this issue seriously; people on Linux are used to assuming software installed from the repos are safe, and yet Snap and Flatpak are being pushed more and more despite their main repositories being potentially unsafe.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 12 points 7 months ago

Flathub is doing more and more, but stuff like hiding --subset=verified is very bad.

They simply need to gain critical mass until they can force changes like portals etc.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 12 points 7 months ago

If you create malware and publish it on flathub, you are the upstream dev. But for sure it helps against duplicate scams.

[-] dsemy@lemm.ee 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I can't find it now, but I read that the verification process also includes human review (for the initial verification, not every update), so it should actually prevent "verified" malware (though it does nothing against unverified malware).

Edit: Here's an article with this and more info: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/966187/3ef48792e5e8c71d/

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago

Nice!

Add flathub with --subset=verified and get apps you really need from their .flatpakref files

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Because both Red Hat and Canonical are of the "pay us to care" mindset. If you aren't paying for support, you're a freeloader and need to do your own research.

[-] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 7 months ago

Fedora has their own flatpak repo built from their own rpms and their own runtime. Flathub has more flatpaks though.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago

This unverified badge does not prevent from malware being downloaded. This is a false statement! An upstream developer can have malicious intention and be verified as the upstream developer. This unverified badge only helps identifying its not a modified version by someone else and is guaranteed to be from the original developer. It does not prevent anyone from downloading and installing unverified apps. If that was the goal, then why having unverified apps in the first place on the store? Yes, because its useful. Therefore people will download unverified apps or just blindly trust verified apps.

At the moment his is enough. But if the Flathub store grows, this can be an issue. Look at the Android and ios app stores; there are plenty of apps from original developers with malicious intentions.

[-] dsemy@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

I said it helps prevent malware from being downloaded, not that it stops it completely.

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago

That's my point, it does not "help" preventing from malware from being downloaded.

[-] dsemy@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

It is reasonable to assume that a verified Flatpak will have a lower chance of containing malware, since initial verification includes manual review (by a Flathub maintainer), and certain changes (like default permissions) also require manual review.

So the way I see it, it does help, but not in a meaningful way.

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