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[-] olivebranch@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago
  1. They don't shift policies, they shift marketing. They will continue to support Israel because they are treating you with Trump and you have to vote for them whatever they do. So change is never going to happen.
  2. Either vote third party or don't waste your time voting. You are getting nothing better with democrats. Trump is a candidate that was placed there by the democrats so they can have a better chance in the elections. In next elections they will simply move the goal post and get someone even worse for Republican party and whatever you are voting against in these elections will be the democrat position in the next one.
[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

Trump is a candidate that was placed there by the democrats so they can have a better chance in the elections.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

Either vote third party or don’t waste your time voting.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Either vote third party or don’t waste your time voting. You are getting nothing better with democrats. Trump is a candidate that was placed there by the democrats so they can have a better chance in the elections. In next elections they will simply move the goal post and get someone even worse for Republican party and whatever you are voting against in these elections will be the democrat position in the next one.

Ladies and gentlemen, a wedge-driving operative seeking to undermine Democrats and get Trump into office. There is literally zero evidence that "Trump is a candidate that was placed there by Democrats". There is zero historical evidence voting third party does anything more than get the worse of two evils in office — and Ukrainians and Palestinians would much prefer Biden over Trump any day.

This is the rhetoric of someone either not either not familiar with the political system, or intentionally trying to undermine the left by opening the door for conservatives.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

This is the rhetoric of someone either not either not familiar with the political system, or intentionally trying to undermine the left by opening the door for conservatives.

false dichotomy. they may be familiar with the political system (even more than you or i), and not believe the same things you do. they may be a leftist. you are making up attacks on their person instead of dealing with the substance of their claims.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

No, commie (username), I'm simply grounded in reality.

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[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

There is zero historical evidence voting third party does anything more than get the worse of two evils in office

no such evidence is possible: you can't prove a counterfactual. you can't know who the worse evil would be. further it's not clear that so-called "third party" voters actually impact elections at all unless their candidate wins.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, we can. 3rd parties have been around for decades and won nothing and only exacerbated the goals of said parties by undermining the only party that has tangible results.

You prove my point.

[-] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

we can.

it's impossible to prove a counterfactual. you are either unfamiliar with the scientific method or you are deliberately lying.

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