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In heaven, you're going to have all the fundamentalists, the ultra conservatives, the blood soaked warlords of the middle ages, the genocidal slavers from the renaissance, >90% of nazi Germany and just about every evil person who said "oops sorry god" before death.
In hell were going to have the layabouts, the nerdowells, the ravers, the LGBT+ community, the gamblers, the stoners, the revellers, the drinkers, the party animals, the sex workers and the promiscuous people.
Don't you worry about us. We're gonna have an AMAZING time.
Have fun at the never ending church where you'll worship yahweh non-stop for all eternity which definitely doesn't sound like hell. I wish you all the best with that.
That's assuming heaven and hell divide along the lines that people here on Earth want to believe.
If those places were real, a good portion of those expecting to go up would be going down. For me, they'd get their intelligence, conscience and empathy turned up to 11 and they'd get to watch their whole lives over a few thousand times with all the ramifications being picked apart. Maybe I'd even let them have a comfy seat for the show. Wouldn't want them to be distracted from it.
They'd be screaming for physical torture after a few rounds.
Would I end up in such a hell? Heck, I wouldn't be surprised.
In fact, there should be several Bible verses about that IIRC, which are ironically ignored by megachurches and stuff.
Religious nutjobs: "You're going to hell!"
Me, whistling with a smile on my face: "In hell I'll be in good company!"
The idea that the infinitely perfect Abrahamic God exists but you'd somehow be happier separated from God (and languishing in hell for all eternity) is so foreign to me as a theist that I have to assume you aren't taking the starting assumption seriously.
Atheists who deny the existence of God make far more sense than those who say they'd rather be in hell as a matter of principle.
Theists have been saying all the fun people are going to hell for... Well, longer than anyone possibly on Lemmy has been alive.
Then add in the idea that the Abrahamic God is perfect is so incredibly foreign and laughable that we have to assume you aren't taking the response seriously.
Now I can't say this for everyone, but probably a good number agree with me - we don't believe in God. And if God did exist, we think God is a total dick. And if we were to have the choice of being around that dick and all the people that like that kind of a total dick, who behave like total dicks themselves because they worship that complete dick of a deity, we want to be in the place that contains the opposite.
TL;Dr, I bet they are being very serious about the question.
I think you've proven my point as you're contradicting yourself.
The Abrahamic conception of God is of an infinitely perfect being who's attributes--viz., omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence, omnipresence-- are maximally unified in that one being. So to suppose that this God exists but then deny his omnibenevolence is a logical contradiction of the definition of the Abrahamic God. (This is akin to, for example, supposing that a square-circle exists.) If God does exist, but he isn't omnibenevolent, then this is no longer the Abrahamic God. Which is why I argued that you are not "taking the starting assumption seriously" in my earlier comment.
I think you're making assumptions about what others would consider perfect or right.
You're going with a very theist-centric view, and not considering others.
You are forcing the idea that an Abrahamic God is perfect. The very history of this world, even the Bible, shows to me that is complete bunk. I am saying, quite sincerely, what you are calling perfection I consider a serial killer. What you are calling perfection I view as a paragon of hatred. A psychotic, self indulgent, narcissistic baby-killer who revels in the suffering of others.
Your premise is faulty - you think God is perfect, others who think like I do view your perfect as a complete piece of shit.
The inability to see beyond your own feelings is the issue here. What you consider perfect is the problem, and why we would prefer Satan and hell.
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Right. We consider the existence of God to be nonsense, because any god that was omnibenevolent wouldn't be such a piece of shit, yet here we are in reality. Your premise is faulty.
Yes, you are once again proving my point that you aren't taking the "starting assumption" (i.e. the existence of a perfect God) seriously. It's perfectly fine if your conception of God is of a terrible serial killer, I am not trying to convince you otherwise, but now we aren't talking about the same God.