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[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 133 points 8 months ago

Mint, peppers, and caffeine, the holy trinity of "plant defenses that did not work on humans."

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 90 points 8 months ago

Counterpoint; those plants are now cultivated in huge numbers, thus ensuring the successful and continued propogation of their genetic legacies.

From an evolutionary perspective, those defences worked too well.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Literally no quality will guarantee a species survival in the modern world more than being delicious to humans.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 14 points 8 months ago

But I bet we have vastly reduced their generic diversity so if humans disappear they will have more issues to survive without us.

[-] AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Mint would take over continents if humans left. Ask any gardener.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 69 points 8 months ago

On the other hand, being useful to humans have made them some of the most widespread and successful plant species on the planet.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Being useful to humans is the single most important factor in evolutionary success rates.

Sure, there's 8 billion of us, but we collectively KILL ~~30 billion~~ 70. 70 goddamn billion chickens every year, and there's always more of those fuckers. We kill more than double the number of chickens every year than are ever currently even alive. That's how many chickens there are.

[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 months ago
[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I'm on a strict enough diet already for medical reasons, trying to get that to work without animal products would be a nightmare I don't think I can deal with.

[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago

I don't know your condition, so I can't tell you what you can or can't do. Reducing is a good enough step towards lessening animal cruelty in the world, though, so consider that maybe.

Avoiding animal-derived ingredients in medicine or finding medicine that is not animal-tested is a pain and another thing entirely, however. I get it.

Just know your priorities, I guess. If you don't care, that's fine too.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 3 points 8 months ago

Will humanity ever get rid of chickens???

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Hawaii hasn't been able to get them off of one island so... No

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Wait, are you telling me that Hawaii has wild chickens? Are we gonna have a Chicken War, like Australia did with Emus?

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

If you go to Honolulu you'll see them wandering on the streets. They're all over the place. I think they're seen as a nuisance? I dunno I thought they were charming.

[-] Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Didn't work out so well for the rhinos to be fair.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Rhinos aren't super useful.

Being super useful has a few requirements. Elephants, for instance, are incredibly useful. They're large, they carry burdens well, they can be trained and will behave well if they're treated well, they're social and understand commands.

But they have one baby every 22 months and it takes years before they're fertile. So they're not super useful. Rhinos, similarly, do not reproduce fast enough to check off the super box.

[-] Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If the rhinos are not useful why do we need to hunt them so much they're going extinct?

The animal also needs to be tamable if it wants to thrive.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Grass: is useless

Humans: "Growing a nutritionally useless plant demonstrates that Im so wealthy I can afford to waste arable land"

Grass: is now one of the dominant species on earth

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

We made grains from grass. If you let most grasses get tall enough to seed, they look like green wheat.

Also I'm not certain, but wheat and corn may give grass a run for their money in acreage cover, if you count the wheat and corn as a single species, but count each specific grass separately.

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

Hey! grass made us quit the trees and stand up, let's pay it back!

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 54 points 8 months ago

Lol pls.

That's the r-rated version.

The true trinity is nicotine, cocaine and opiates.

And also,

"Animals are something invented by plants to move seeds around. An extremely yang solution to a peculiar problem which they faced."

— Terence McKenna

[-] SurpriZe@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago
[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yang

the masculine active principle in nature that in Chinese cosmology is exhibited in light, heat, or dryness and that combines with yin to produce all that comes to be

It distorts the connotation, but it wouldn't be too far off to use, say, "macho" instead. It just feels weird to apply such words to plants.

[-] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 37 points 8 months ago

Particularly peppers lol.

Ah, mild pain! The perfect addition to my diet.

[-] Magnetar@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

To be fair, they also have vitamins and sugar.

[-] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Cilantro: best I can do is 20%.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Hallucinogens, nicotine, caffeine, all evolved for plant defense and all of them are used recreationally.

[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago
[-] cynar@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

THC is a heat shock defence. The fact it has such an effect on us is purely coincidental.

[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Yes, that is one of the possible explanations for trichomes. However, In literature there are several potential reasons for cannabis producing THC listed, some of them are:

-deterring certain insect and other herbivores -Anti-microbial effects -UV light protection

Claiming that heat shock defense is the only reason seems like a simplification, considering that scientists are still researching the matter.

[-] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It used to also be insect deterrent but since we've bred cannabis to have so much lovely THC that the globules are too large and dry to work. But that's ok because cannabis has domesticated humans enough that we've invented climate controlled hothouses to grow them in.

[-] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 8 months ago

And Willow, tobacco... You could also count things like Digitalis, which are rather toxic but usefull medications.

[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago

HFY! or are Space Orcs.

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