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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes, they have no business carrying a deadly weapon. I’m not minimizing the crime nor the impact on the victim, quite the contrary. Unless there’s a serious reason to expect recurrence and law enforcement is no help, you’re giving a traumatized untrained person a deadly weapon. You’re setting that victim up to murder an innocent person.

How is this person any different than you hypothetical rape victim? I don’t know why he may have been living in fear, but having a deadly weapon just meant that a traumatized untrained person murdered an innocent person.

[-] lemmylem@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

1.) Do you expect all criminals to follow the law?

2.) Are you assuming that every rape victim is crazy?

3.) What about when law enforcement doesn't show up in time?

4.) How do you know they're not 3D printing firearms?

5.) What about when your government becomes tyrannical?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago
  1. I assume innocent people far outnumber criminals

  2. I assume many rape victims, and many other people are traumatized. I assume they may act out of fear.

  3. I assume the likelihood of anyone defending themselves from an actual threat is very low, especially someone acting out of fear, especially someone untrained. They’re not likely to be making rational, responsible choices, nor able to reliably do what they intend. You’re just trading one problem for another

  4. I assume someone 3D printing a weapon is a stupid edge case. Very few people can do it, it’s unlikely to work well, more likely to injure the user. Most importantly no one is 3D printing a gun on impulse, emotion, fear

  5. protecting yourself from a tyrannical government is completely unrealistic, and you could argue already here. Governments will always have many orders of magnitude more resources than you, many more deadly weapons, and many more practiced killers. Most importantly we’re no longer in a time when most of the governments weapons are people bringing their own musket. It’s more important than ever to defend against a tyrannical government, but frightened people shooting anyone who turns around in their driveway or knocks on their door is not the way to do it.

[-] Doof@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

You are unfortunately wrong about printed guns, they are way more common and are actually useable now.

[-] lemmylem@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

1.) That doesn't really mean anything.

2 & 3.) How do you know they didn't receive help/treatment? Also, you can't just assume that every person is the same, most people go out of their way to get proper training to use a firearm.

4.) No, it's gotten way easier, there are blueprints everywhere online freely available and guides on how to make 3D printed guns at home.

5.) Why did the USA pull out of Afghanistan then? We have the best military in the world, yet we couldn't beat the people who live in the desert that had basically nothing? Urbanization is a nightmare in any war. In the end, it doesn't matter how many resources they have. You have to remember that people in the military have friends and family back home, there would be a lot of internal conflict. Also, If we leave the people defenseless, we'll end up just like China and Russia.

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