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[-] Demographics 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Alternatively: Capitalism has robbed the working class of any time for exercise while simultaneously pushing food that is dirt cheap to make with artificial additives that lead to excess consumption.

But that doesn't fit the convenient narrative of "it's all society's fault," which pushes all blame and need for action off the observer.

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

As a not fat person that doesn't have time to exercise, it's not hard to avoid one or two meals a day. Fat people eat too much, period. Don't blame capitalism.

[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Clearly because you don't struggle with this thing, the struggles of others are invalid.

Capitalism is significantly at fault because it pushes more and more food, makes cheap (read: affordable) food severely fattening, and creates industries that prey on people's insecurities and entices them into all kinds of disordered eating. To say nothing about the general decline of physical and mental health caused by unfettered capitalism that often manifests as disordered eating.

But yeah, eating too much is the only problem. Thanks I'm cured /s

[-] deur@feddit.nl 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Man shut the fuck up, shut up.

A can of mountain dew is:

  • In America: 355 mL with 170 calories (0.49 kcal/mL)
  • In Germany: 330 mL with 95.7 calories (0.29 kcal/mL)

Feast your eyes upon this and perhaps begin to question the dumb bullshit perspective that lives in your head.

Yes Americans, you do deserve to be able to enjoy a soda without fucking your calorie intake up. Did I mention the german one uses real sugar and tastes way better, which makes it harder to drink in excess?

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Why the fuck do they drink sugary drinks if they're fat? Soda should be a rare treat, not a substitute for water.

[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Where did they assert that it was a substitute for water? I missed it. I also missed your justification for the same (approximately) beverage being twice the calories in America, thus contributing to that problem that you blame on individuals. Almost like you don't have one. Weird.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

You’re not sensitive to subtlety.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Crazy how many calories are in just 25 mL of soda

[-] ECB@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

They use different sweeteners which have different calorie densities.

[-] TommySalami@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

As a non-fat person who doesn't exercise consistently, it's not that simple for the vast majority. There are a lot of factors including health/genetics and the stuff mentioned in the comment you responded to. I'm not skinny because I avoid meals, I'm skinny because I lucked out genetically and I really don't have to worry about what I eat in terms of gaining weight.

Also, avoiding meals is like the worst way to maintain your weight and you should stop implicitly recommending it. It's just going fuck up your metabolism, nutrition, and ability to maintain your weight. Quality matters substantially more than quantity, and quality is prohibitively expensive for many.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 2 years ago

Intermittent fasting has proven benefits...

By making calorie restriction easier to manage.

[-] TommySalami@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Proper intermittent fasting is quite a bit more involved and planned out than "avoid meals", and doesn't seem to be what the other comment was referencing.

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

You do not need 3 meals a day, period. I'm not implicitly stating that, I'm explicitly stating it as a fact of human history. Having unfettered access to huge calorie bombs 24/7 is not normal. People who are obese should skip at least one meal a day and eat less food.

[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Quick guideline that'll help you be more empathetic to the rest of humanity: other people's experiences aren't like yours. Their bodies behave differently, they have different socioeconomic statuses, their minds struggle with things yours finds easy and vice versa. So "skip a meal" is trivial for you and impossible for another. That's why many different diets exist.

Stop painting humanity with one brush just because you can't see outside your own world view.

Also: A chunk of human history where we skipped meals regularly also involved getting eaten by predators. Just because it was true in the past does not make it true now. Having access to calorie bombs 24/7 is normal now. And society hasn't figured out how to deal with that. Some handle it fine, others handle it poorly.

[-] Laurentide@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago

I eat two meals a day. I drink mostly plain water, with some black coffee and unsweetened tea. I cut out soda over a decade ago and sweets are a rare luxury. I can't afford to eat massive amounts of food even if I want to. So why am I still fat?

[-] bunjix@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Because you expend less calories than you consume.

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 14 points 2 years ago

Food deserts exist, man. I've been there. Living in a shithole area with no shops supplying fresh foods, and no convenient transport links to such shops

You're probably just gonna go to the overpriced shop and buy processed crap, y'know?

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Which is fine, just buy less of it. Calories matter. I understand what poverty is, trust me, but using poorness as an excuse to blame capitalism for your bad choices is silly. There's plenty wrong with capitalism already without blaming it for people's choices.

[-] irmoz@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If processed food is the only option, how exactly do you "just buy less of it"? Eat nothing? Be serious, dude.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Ah yes, thank you for your single data point. That'll be sure to topple this mountain of evidence otherwise.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

it's not hard to

People who say this almost always refuse to believe there can be any nuance to situations beyond their own limited experience.

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