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Wayland vs Xorg be like (sh.itjust.works)

Yes, I made it using a laptop's trackpad, how could you tell?

[Image description: Panel 1: Young man confidently walking, his vest bears the Wayland logo. Behind him is a grunt with the Gnome logo on his face holding a katana. The young man says: "It's high time you retire, old man!" Panel 2: An old man with a long beard and the Xorg logo on his chest is sitting on a throne and petting a rat, the XFCE mascot. He says: "It's still a hundred years too early for you to defeat me!" ]

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[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wayland gets so many more of the basics so much better than X11 it's not even funny anymore. X11 is stuttery, unsecure, unmaintaned, can't really be updated for new features that are pretty important in 2024 (VRR, HDR). For now with my usage, the only big disadvantage I saw from Wayland is that you can't restart it like X11 when something goes wrong, but that's the thing, I haven't had to restart it like I had to often with X11. Even on Nvidia Wayland is better now, except maybe for gaming but that's Nvidia for you.

[-] Aganim@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

X11 is stuttery

Not for me

unsecure

Source?

unmaintaned

Received a number of commits just last week: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg

can't really be updated for new features that are pretty important in 2024 (VRR, HDR).

VRR is supported, at least on AMD: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Variable_refresh_rate

For HDR you have a point, afaik.

Wayland gets so many more of the basics so much better than X11 it's not even funny anymore.

And yet X11 works rock solid for me, while Wayland still crashes whenever I so much as look at it wrong. The amount of time and work I've lost because of Wayland crapping out on me isn't even funny anymore. On AMD by the way, so no blaming Nvidia's crappy Linux support.

Wayland will probably be the better product one day, but this day is not that day, at least not for every use-case. Great that it works fantastically for you, I genuinely advise you to keep using it, but keep in mind that 'mileage may vary' from person to person. Personally for now I'll stick to X11, as I need to get work done and unfortunately don't have time to muck around with Wayland's antics.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

X11 is insecure. Any program can read any keystroke, any windows contents, can input anything anywhere etc.

The concept of separate apps basically doesnt exist.

[-] WaterWaiver@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Those security features are misleading.

A second app can already read all of your files, modify the first app, modify $PATH to replace your display server and do anything it wants as your user. Running wayland instead of Xorg provides no tangible benefits in security.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

Yes and wayland is a puzzle piece of fixing that.

The other one is containerized apps that use a trusted system portal to get opt-in filesystem access to actually needed directories.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

10% FPS drop compared to X11 because of perfect frame requirements

X11 has literally never stuttered even on the hack that is WSL

The only time I have actually gotten X11 to crash was an unrelated kernel panic.

Also no one uses X11 networking by default lmao, its always X forward over SSH, that is definitely secure and still something wayland can't do.

[-] feral_hedgehog@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago

Also no one uses X11 networking by default lmao, its always X forward over SSH, that is definitely secure and still something wayland can’t do.

Sure it can, with waypipe (like, for a while now...)
Just waypipe ssh [command]

You can even run X apps over this through cage even when X11 forwarding is disabled by the host (because, you know, the security issues...)

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