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[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You need to learn a skill that leads to a living wage. Demanding politicians to directly do that is pointless, they are absolutely unable to give you that. The only thing they can directly do is set a minimum wage, which is essentially a lie. It doesn't actually give you a minimum/living wage, instead it makes you completely unemployable if your wage level is between 0-(minimum wage).

As u/nomad mentioned, demanding structures that make getting an education easier or give you safety nets when things go to shit, or basic income/negative tax rates for low incomes is something politicans can do. But don't demand stupid things like minimum wage, they might actually do those.

[-] Overspark@feddit.nl 41 points 7 months ago

Not sure what you have against minimum wage, it works well in other countries (I'm from the Netherlands). Obviously it doesn't solve everything by itself, but it's definitely a valuable part of a range of measures to treat people fairly. It's a fantasy that everyone can be educated to a level above minimum wage.

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Not sure what you have against minimum wage,

Having bit more than basic education in economics, I suppose.

It’s a fantasy that everyone can be educated to a level above minimum wage.

Is it more or less a fantasy than the fantasy that every employer is able to pay the minimum wage?

[-] olivebranch@lemmy.ca 28 points 7 months ago

If company can't pay it's workers a living wage, that company shouldn't exist.

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 4 points 7 months ago

Indeed. That's exactly what will happen. And then people whose wage level is below the minimum wage will be unemployed.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 18 points 7 months ago

Ah, got it, so all our problems are the fault of those pesky workers wanting to afford to survive, and not those who refuse to function unless they're exploiting others..
Makes perfect sense, "economist".. πŸ™„πŸ˜‚

[-] olivebranch@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago

And should be given welfare check.

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Or UBI as we seemed to agree on other part of the thread. Either of these are better solutions than minimum wage.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 7 months ago

Minimum wage works. Here is an article from the german newspaper FAZ (leans economically right) that presents a study that shows the low income sector has shrunk since the implementation of minimum wages.
Germany before had one of the biggest low income sectors in the western world.
And no, the unemployment rate did not skyrocket. In fact, Germany is as close to full employment as it gets.

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 7 points 7 months ago

Good counterpoint, thanks for that.

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