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Oklahoma banned trans students from bathrooms. Now a bullied student is dead
(www.independent.co.uk)
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They aren't using whatever bathrooms they want. They are using the bathroom that people of their gender are supposed to use.
But do explain to us why you want this man to be in a women's bathroom. Or locker room.
That is Ben Melzer. He is a male model. He was also born biologically female.
Do you think women would feel comfortable or safe with him in there?
No.
Their gender is not a choice.
Do you think being gay is a choice as well?
I see, so it's okay for trans people to use the bathroom of their gender as long as they don't look like they're trans.
No it wasn't. At all. I think trans people should use the bathroom of their gender period.
But then I don't think being trans is a choice.
You didn't answer my question- is being gay a choice?
Sorry... are you now saying that being trans is a choice because some people pretend to be trans? Also, how exactly do you take advantage of women by pretending to be trans?
This is some weird TERF shit.
Women wouldn't be uncomfortable because he looks like a man.
He is a man.
Women would be uncomfortable because a man would be forced to use their bathroom.
I'm not sure why this isn't clear to you. Oh, wait, yes I do, because you think being trans is a choice, like so many bigots before you.
Sorry, can you unpack exactly what you think being trans is, please? You've gestured in a couple of directions this thread, but I'd rather have a direct explicit answer than trying to infer it and possibly be wrong.
Oh, you're just a bog standard conspiratorial TERF. It's all making sense now.
Had they been allowed to use the other bathroom they wouldn't have been beaten to death by girls in the girls bathroom, would they?
Could we not just have gender neutral bathrooms? ie. A hallway/long room with 5 doors on each side and behind each of those doors you have a sink/toilet/urinal. Each door is actually a door from floor to ceiling.
It could definitely remove one of the most notorious and dangerous places kids get bullied.
Just because you want to be a peeping Tom and watch folks in the bathroom doesn't mean everyone else does.
Really? Please explain how that wouldn't make them 10x more likely to be bullied. I'll wait.
Ah yeah, prove your point with personal insults, that's convincing.
What's your proposal, then?
Considering they think being trans is a choice, I think you can guess what their proposal is.
Oh I know they're a TERF.
I don't think anyone is saying changing bathrooms will end bullying. Judging by the conversation I'm seeing I think most people are upset that a child in a government institution was physically beaten to death.
Although based on your comment it doesn't seem like you're on the same page as those people.
This whole post and all its threads are a ducking train wreck.
Anyway... Looking beyond the headline "Oklahoma governor Kevin Stitt signed a bill that required public school students to use bathrooms that matched the sex listed on their birth certificates."
I think that's fucked because it others trans people and sends the message that hating trans people is ok. And I think that makes assholes more likely to be violent towards trans people.
And also a trans kid in this was beaten to death, and might have survived had the school called a goddamn ambulance, or if they had done anything to counter anti-trans hate.
Idk what the duck do you want to hear exactly?
That we should force trans kids to use the bathroom of their birth certificate sex? Or that we shouldn't?
Maybe instead of dancing around with questions just state your opinion?
What fucking business is it of yours? I mean, really. You wanna do dick checks of everyone using a public bathroom? Go the fuck ahead, I dare you.
No, but I don't see why that's a reason not to allow people to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity. Do you have an actual argument you wanted to make, or are you just asking stupid questions?