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[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago

This is my shocked face 🥱

How about we just list all of the imperial tech giants which don't have backdoors and who don't spy on users of their products.

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago

So many privacy-focused tech-people have focused on software only, because its at least somewhere that they can make a positive contribution, but in all likelihood, something we can't mess with, the hardware, has backdoors and spying. Everything from CPUs, radios, and even hard drives likely have backdoors.

There's pretty much no way around that until we get competing non-western-owned hardware industries, which rn, only china and india are attempting.

[-] TheOPtimal@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

china isn't much better - they're much more notorious for their backdoors.

edit: before (admittedly you all already have) started throwing pitchforks at me for being a glowie, i live in eastern europe, and am an anarchist. i am no way saying that the U.S. has not done it's fair share of global surveillance - honestly i'm more concerned about the U.S. because they seem to have their claws in about every single service and company. i just don't think we should be absolving china of all of their wrongdoings just because they're an enemy to the U.S.

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Source on that?

BTW here's the state of western surveillance:

[-] TheOPtimal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

what, you think I don't know about PRISM? hell, snowden's leaks were in 2012, NSA's got a lot more advanced shit now. i'm just trying to say that the enemy of the enemy is not your friend. just because china is an enemy of the U.S. does not absolve china of all of its wrongdoing.

[-] Prologue7642@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Sure they are much more notorious, but as it turns out most of the time there is absolutely no reason for that. Just take current hysteria around TikTok, even if it was correct (which I would argue it isn't) no one cares about all the other apps that we know for sure spy on you and give info to US government (and others).

[-] TheOPtimal@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Hysteria?? There's undeniable proof that TikTok does a shit ton of data gathering. You fucking tankies always act like China is some ray of utopia and hail Mao and Xi like they're some kind of deities.

Never said the US Government wasn't a problem, but why do you act like China doesn't do shit either?

[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

You seem to have missed the part of the comment you're responding to where they said:

...no one cares about all the other apps that we know for sure spy on you and give info to US government (and others).

No one is saying that TikTok isn't collecting a shit ton of data on its users. They're pointing out that this has been an ongoing problem with tech that burgers have been using for a long time, but that the burger regime didn't so much as make a peep until it was a Chinese tech company doing the same thing. You don't need to be a communist to see the double standards at play here.

[-] m532@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Tiktok does a ton of data gathering... for the usa.

[-] peeonyou@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

notorious to americans maybe.. the rest of the world is probably far more wary of the US and for good reason.. you dont become the hegemon by playing by the rules you make right?

[-] TheOPtimal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

i live in eastern europe.

[-] ganymede@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

i don't know about more notorious.

that may merely be the propaganda we're exposed to.

but for sure, noone has our back here, we have to have eachother's back

[-] mariubrlu@mastodonapp.uk 2 points 2 years ago

@muad_dibber @knfrmity I think this statement does not apply to open source firmware. Where could the malware hide if everything is open?

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago

In a hidden, 2nd level of firmware ;) . Open source firmware is nice, but there aren't many companies who put it out in the open, and not many people with the level of technical expertise required of low-level hardware engineers to create it.

[-] mariubrlu@mastodonapp.uk 2 points 2 years ago
[-] mariubrlu@mastodonapp.uk 1 points 2 years ago

@knfrmity @yogthos That list would be very short, if it would actually have any items.

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