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Estonia considers closing its border with Russia
(kyivindependent.com)
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So the solution is to decide in their name to keep them in country of war, where you claim they will be safer, without even hearing their opinion.
Ultimately their opinion doesn't matter. The government of Estonia will look out for it's citizens first and foremost, currently we can't accept more refugees and we can't deal with a ton of people just coming here so they will close the border.
Everybody's opinion matters, especially of EU citizens and even more of Estonian regarding this issue. Estonia can obviously deal with more migrants, it is just not convenient. Estonain goverment doesnt care about its citizens, but about getting reelected. They will do what is most in their interest.
Placing convienice of people from your country over others lives is obviously morally wrong. And unless you are a nationalist (right-wing) you can not believe that people from certain country have lives worth less than from another, even yours. So there is no difference between russian and estonian, and their interest should be placed at the same value. To disagree is by definition nationalism and if we are talking about ethnicity, racism.
OK if you are going down the road of ignorance toward both Estonian politics and the economic situation then we can drop that.
Are you really saying it's the norm for countries to help every person in the world equally and not prioritise it's citizens? Also by prioritising it's own citizens they also prioritise the 20 or so % Russian population living here. People's lives have equal worth but the responsibility to help someone falls on their nation first and foremost.
I am not saying it is the norm. I am saying it is right-wing, natonallistic and racist. Which is unfortuenately the norm. I am saying it is unethical and morally inexsusable, not that it is not normal.
It would be absolutely great if every single country in the world would care about every person equally. Both China and the US have enough resources and space to fit like every single refugee in the world so that would be an easy fix but that's not the situation.
I agree, it would be. But instead of passing regulations to make Europe (just as rich and more populous that US) take refugees from countries they are in war with. Instead we are focusing on closing borders of other countries, not only so they can't take refugees themselves, but to stop them from actually getting assylim in places they can, like EU. There is a difference in not fighting for right regulation to make a World more just, but to fight for new regulation that is making it less so, is definitely immoral.
The EU is not a federal government, it's a trade alliance. It has no power to control how many refugees a country accepts.
So they can't stop Estonia from accepting more refugees?
Nope, of course not.
Great, then Estonia should accept more refugees and there is no reason to worry about EU having a problem with it.
They wouldn't. If those refugees started crossing into other countries without permission of said countries then there would be problems and since Estonia doesn't have the resources to keep them it's not viable.
So it is ok to let people die because of a chance they will illegally cross to other countries?
It's not just because they would cross illegally, it's because Estonia would take on the obligation to house them and stop them from crossing the border illegally, which Estonia can't do currently. They have better chances of surviving as a soldier than as homeless during an Estonian winter. Estonia can't save them and doesn't have the moral burden to be the first country in the world to try to help every refugee while not being able to.
So winters in a filed as a solider is somehow safer then under a bridge in a city?
If you live under a bridge here during winter you are dead, there is no chance to survive that. Pretty much every winter hits at least -20C, that will kill you without shelter and January is usually the coldest month.