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2024 is going to be the beginning of the end of us all
(lemmy.world)
No I’m not catastrophising.
The world is slowly lurching towards a fully fascist led America, India, Hungary, Russia, Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Argentina.
Instead people are either ignorant or blaming “wokeism”* for their problems.
I have no clue what to do and this is literally a car crash in slow motion.
I’m despondent because I’m going to be crushed under the boot when the time comes and my morals get in the way of my survival instinct.
Humans are repeating the mistakes of the past. It’s just so anxiety inducing.
*Woke is a useless term promulgated by fascists to dog whistle the things they really want to hate - feminism, socialism, LGBTQIA+, immigration, brown/black people, equality and diversity.
I think that instead of it being the end we will simply learn that fully fascist world is actually quite good for business and nothing will change for vast majority of people. I'm not saying it will be good. It will be worse, just not as bad as you think.
Edit: I guess I should have said "fully fascist" with ' " '. What I'm saying is that the world is moving to the right, yes, but it's not collapsing into fascist states. OP is being overly pessimist. The whole world is not turning into US.
Historically that has proven to be false. The majority of Germans, whether targets of the nazis or not, had their lives upended.
Genocide is extremely bad
I guess what I'm saying is that there will be no world war or genocides. Was that really so difficult to understand? Like, you really think I was suggesting that genocide is not that bad?
I'm starting to love the groupthink here. "The world is ending. Yes, yes, it's the end. Let's down-vote anyone slightly less pessimistic".
Then you don't understand fascism.
People suggest that all the time.
Ok, I guess we'll see who was right in a couple of years. But I'm genuinely surprised so many people think we will have nuclear apocalypse in a couple of years. Sounds more like silly groupthink and coping than honest concern. But if you really think you're a year or two away for unimaginable suffering or death I feel for you. Has to be terrible.
Pretty much all of history dealing with fascism disagrees with you. That alone justifies the concern. I haven't seen anyone say the world is a year or two away from unimaginable suffering or death. But there is a very clear path to unimaginable suffering or death in front of us. We've seen the path of fascism taken before. We know what happens. We have historical and academic research that backs it up that we can compare to today.
Saying (without any evidence) that people are overreacting sounds much more like a coping mechanism to me. People are saying "hey we should really check out this smoke billowing under the door" and you're telling everyone they're being silly because you can't see any fire.
Dude, the topic of this post is "2024 is going to be the beginning of the end of us all". It says "No I’m not catastrophising.", " I’m going to be crushed" and "The world is slowly lurching towards a fully fascist ...".
Now you're trying to say it all just means “hey we should really check out this smoke billowing under the door”. Jesus fucking Christ, you really don't see it? To prove how wrong I am claiming OP is exaggerating you yourself had to tone down his rhetoric by 90%. If the OP would say "Hey, we should be careful or the extreme right will take over and dismantle some of our rights" I would totally agree. But yeah, keep pretending he was reasonable and I disagreed with his totally rational, toned down arguments.
So what exactly are you disagreeing with? You just don't like their word choice? Because "Hey we should he careful or the extreme right will take over and dismantle our rights" is exactly what I get from OP. They specifically stated this is the beginning, it's happening slowly, and they feel they would be a target if we continue on the same trajectory. What's incorrect/hyperbolic here?
If you think '2024 is going to be the beginning of the end of us all' means "Hey, let's be careful" than sadly I can't help you with your poor reading comprehension.
Where did I say that? Just because I don't agree with your extremely pessimist predictions means I think fascism is OK? WTF?
America, India and Russia where a terrible, terrible places for democracy and minorities for decades now. Only because you're just now waking up to this fact doesn't mean the world is sliding into fascism.
Netherlands, Germany and Italy still operate inside EU and still follow all the rules. EU has powerful tools for enforcing those rules, they just managed to force Hungary to back down over Ukraine funding. Poland just had w big swing to the left, as did Spain. EU is sliding to the right, yes, but it's more a typical, generational shift than embrace of fascism.
Argentina has terrible economic issues, their populism is completely different.
Basically what's going on is that the American illusion of a democracy is finally collapsing and since I don't think it's the end of the world I'm OK with fascism. We all should hold hands with Americans and help them cope with the realization their country is not as great as they thought....
I really don't think you understand what facism really is...I think you're looking at Republicans flirting with openly enacting facism, and thinking "well, if it's just to that degree it'll be ok"
Facism is like this - you have an authoritarian group, and they promise a perfect world if only everyone believed their ideology.
But their ideology is garbage, and so we're going to have problems. And so they're going to look around and say "it's LGBT people, they're ruining everything!". Then they're going to directly or indirectly outlaw their existence, and use that to imprison them.
They'll milk it for as long as they can... But as this goes on, you get more and more "true believers" who escalate and speed up the process
But that's not going to fix anything, obviously. So they'll look around again for people they can declare different... Maybe it's black people, or Mexicans, or alleged spies from China. Maybe it's stem workers, or college grads. Maybe it's just anyone who doesn't play along hard enough, and we go the ideological purity route
But again, that's only going to make things worse, so they'll have to find someone else to target. They require an enemy to blame for everything that goes wrong. And a lot is going to go wrong...
You can say this is all hyperbolic, but it's really not. The Nazis started just like this, with book bans, control over education, and going after trans people. Then they went after political opposition, then things really got into swing.
Oh, ok, I see what's going on here. You see, since you started listing all those other countries I thought you actually are referring to global situation. Now I see you're only talking about USA, That's why I said you're exaggerating. USA is not the whole world. The world will be fine. USA taking more isolationist stance may even be good for everyone else. But thanks for explaining to me, an European, what fascism is. We really don't know anything about it here. Only Americans understand this phenomenon. Can you also explain to me what democracy and freedom is?
Unless you’re any color but white, or any gender but male.
Make up your mind. OP is also worried about India. Only white people will be fine in India? You pretend to be worried about the whole world but very quickly show that you're actually only worried about the western countries.
Being that I live in Texas, it’s been really tough for me to worry about anything but over here. But you’re right, we’re certainly not the only place dealing with this kind of shit. Apologies.
Spoken like a good little bootlicker.
Best keep that tongue on that boot, lest it steps on you instead. Same goes for those businesses under a fascist government. I'm sure life will be good for them, especially if they don't mind the taste of leather.
Remove their tongue from the boot, and business won't be good for them.
I wonder what you're doing about the imminent world war that's so brave and non-bootlicking.
Speaking up and calling out fascist behavior. Not spending my money on businesses that promote fascists. Voting. Keeping my long barrel in good condition, may it never need to be used.
Soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge boxes, in that order.
So posting on lemmy and boycotting businesses you don't like. Awesome.
Hey guys, don't worry about the future, this guy will totally stop fascism. We're fine.
Better than trying to lick my way to the center of a boot while making disingenuous jabs on Lemmy.
Sure sure, keep repeating that to yourself.
Even for a bootlicker, you seem especially bitter, sarcastic, and downtrodden. Might help to find someone licensed to talk that out. Ain't healthy keeping it bottled up, and spewing vitriol on Lemmy doesn't help anyone.
Are you talking about me or yourself now? Seams like you intended this for me but you actually perfectly described your comments.
Add projection to the list, too. You're just trolling, now. Good luck with that.
Really? Please, point out the vitriol in my comments. You're the one talking about licking boots all the time. You're the abusive one here. (Of course I don't expect you to realize it now, you don't strike me a s someone capable of admitting they were wrong)
You're the one extolling the virtues of fascism.
You just didn't understand what you read and got triggered. Relax, go for a walk or something.
"I think that instead of it being the end we will simply learn that fully fascist world is actually quite good for business and nothing will change for vast majority of people. I'm not saying it will be good. It will be worse, just not as bad as you think."
My understanding of your statement: Fascism is good for business! Sure, it's bad for some people, but most people won't even notice it. There's good things about fascism that you're not aware of. It's not all bad!
Triggered? Hardly. I'm not about to let a comment like the above go untouched for the bullshit it is, however.
You need to take a walk down to your local library and read some history books.
Missed that part? I'm selling fascism by saying it will be worse? What do you think is it? Reverse psychology?
A lot of people already live under extreme right wing governments (Russia, India, Venezuela, Iran, Israel.. the list goes on), not much will change there. A lot of people live in very stable democracies that also will not get affected by those changes. I believe majority of people will be fine. Is that supporting fascism?
Would slide to the right be good for business? Probably, corporations like right wing governments. Global economy will not collapse, there will be no world war III. Wow, what a strong statement of support for fascism!
You saw someone not crying out loud that fascist will kill as all and got triggered, simple.
You're minimizing, plain and simple, by accentuating the positive aspects and softening the negative. Generally folk minimizing are in support of the thing they claim to be in opposition of.
If that's not your intent, then you really need to work on your communication skills.
As for being triggered, you're wrong. I believe you're projecting. Might the cause be all those down votes your posts are receiving? Sure, they don't mean much... Other than each vote meaning one person disagrees with you. Some folk can't handle that well.
That's a really dumb statement. Being realistic is not minimizing. Minimizing is not supporting.
If I create a post saying "Climate change will kills us all by 2025" and you'll will disagree you're minimizing and supporting oil industry? Not agreeing with obviously wrong statements is now bootlicking?
Basically for you, anything that's not agreeing with the groupthink is supporting the other side, no matter the arguments. This sort of stupid, reactionary thinking only creates bubbles and turns away potential supporters. It's like when protesters in US were calling for 'abolishing police' and anyone trying to explain it's unrealistic and de-founding should be the goal was shut down as police supported. Where did it get the protesters? No where. So good luck with your fight. You will also get nowhere.
Says you. You're also inflating my example and simplifying it, making a strawman out of it. I say differently, and so do all those folk downvoting you.
I'm done with this discourse. You're determined to stick to your position in the mud, and not worth the effort. Good luck with that.
Sure, "when proven wrong, scream strawman!". During this entire discourse you didn't come up with a single argument to support your position and now you complain that I'm not changing my mind. Mind boggling.
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Another great point.
How does this work?
Same way capitalism and globalization is good for business? Right wing parties tend to oppose social policies and promote income inequality which is good for corporations. Again, not saying it will be good for us. Just that we've seen couple if shifts to the right like this already. In a decade or two it will shift back to the left. Except in US, there the empire will collapse but is questionable if it will be net negative for the world.