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I’m all for protesting the government and their actions. But I am a bit torn on this.
It’s like being a US tourist while Trump is in office and being denied everything because you are associated with you government.
I hate it too. But I am not my government.
They refused to shake hands because one of the israeli players called them all antisemites in the pre game interviews.
Ireland has a long history of supporting the palestinian cause - consistently the highest in europe - which is what the player was intentionally mischaracterising as antisemitism.
Sorry, let me get the full quote and some more context:
An official quote at a formal press interview that implicates the entire team.
See my comment you originally replied to.
If an official representative of the team slags off the other side without reason before the game, and says the entire team thinks this, with no apology or attempt to clarify that that person was wrong and only speaking for themselves, that's shitty behavior from the entire team.
The Israeli player was culture washing. The Palestinian people are a semitic people.
National sports teams represent their countries.
Sports boycotts are a useful way of alerting a country's citizens that we are upset by the actions of the government they have chosen to represent them.
The Israel players spent time taking photos with IOF soldiers.
Maybe it is wrong to assume complicity of individuals in their governments actions, maybe it isn't, but you don't need to make any assumptions here.
It might suck, but yeah we kinda deserved to be excluded from the world stage for allowing trump to be president. Anyone that is willing to represent Israel/Russia/Saudi Arabia right now is kinda a piece of shit.
I have no clue what you're talking about.
Russia and Israel are the exact same as far as I'm concerned. They're both state sponsors of terrorism, and their entire government should be replaced with their heads being executed for war crimes.
Saudi Arabia is not just a state sponsor of terrorism, but a full blown terrorist state.
This implies that it is the people's fault that Trump was elected, when it's the result of a larger systemic issue.
These people are choosing to represent their country, not just going about their private business.
You don't go around calling people out for it though. You agree with them that Trump is a jerk and that you didn't want him to become a president. This is different. The Israeli team called the Irish team antisemitic because they don't like what Israel is doing. The truth though is that it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the genocide that Israel is inflicting on Palestine
It's one way to push governments to change, especially in a representative democracy. It's why businesses are pulling their operations from Russia (and to a much lesser extent Israel).
Edit: Typo.
Both Israel and the US have representative democracies. Views of the government are the views of the people.
That would be true if we didn’t have an electoral college. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.
Yikes why would defend someone who sung the praises of noted War Criminal Henry Kissinger?
The alternative was worse. Most Presidential elections aren’t about picking the candidate you want - they boil down to who you dislike less.
Besides, I wasn’t “defending” anyone; I was simply pointing out a fact.
The hours everybody spends in supermarkets, picking out the things they don't want to buy, so they're only left with what they want... But the alternative is worse...
They both approximate perfect representation close enough. If the difference between one government or the other comes down to variations that are basically explained by the weather being good or bad on voting day, you can't really claim that the government isn't representative.
Just because it didn't represent YOUR opinion, it doesn't make it less representative. A truly representative government will make decisions that align with 10% of the population 10% of the time. So if 10% of the population want to bomb Canada a perfectly representative government will make it happen every 40 years or so.
Jfc what an out of touch and wilfully ignorant comment.. 🤦♀️
https://web.archive.org/web/20230803021951/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic
Never mind that Netanyahu has spent the past decade or so actively and successfully eroding whatever pretence of democracy existed in Israel before..
But with just some VERY MINOR tweaks to the system, the "views of the people" would be very different. In the US, the system is OPENLY engineered to preserve existing power structures, in ways that have accumulated over the decades (Jerrymandering, Electoral College and First Past The Post all add up...)
And everybody over there is beginning to work together and rise up against it...
That would make me american...