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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago

In other news, trying to escape from the concentration camp you’ve been locked in since birth isn’t antisemitic.

[-] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Am I the only one around here who is both scandalized by the way Israel is treating Palestinians and the way Hamas committed an atrocious antisemitic terrorist attack?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] Afterthought_C@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And this does not even get into the part where Israel itself is an antisemitic abomination:

-Israel's initial proposal/ conception was not out of some concern for the Jews but for antisemites to throw the Jewish population in a place where they don't have to see them

-Deliberately erasing the existence of Jews that lived in Palestine before their occupation in their rhetoric

-During wwii Israel turned back Jews that had no settler inclination/ potential back to the German concentration camps

-Committing atrocities while wearing the Star of David is designed to draw hatred to Jews as their scapegoat. It is not 'the only safe place for Jews', it is a perpetual warground that uses Jews as their human meatshields.

-Their massive PR/ rainbowwashing/ anti-BDS laws is probably also designed to be easily misconstructed as the 'Jews shadow-control the world' antisemitic trope

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 points 1 year ago

I know you're angry about injustice and indifference to injustice, and I am too, but I think it would be effective to take a less aggressive stance against people who are obviously blackout drunk on the Kool-Aid. It's not productive to scare them off.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago
[-] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Not very constructive either to question people's drinking habits for the sake of winning an argument. Whatever, you have a good one

[-] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I am completely OK with Palestinian resistance to Israel's oppression. I think Palestinian people have a right to resist Israel's colonization. However, you will not make me believe that Hamas is an emancipation force which is fighting for freedom. It is an antisimetistic Islamist group who massacred people on October 7 in the most gruesome way, specifically because they were Jews.

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 14 points 1 year ago

No, unfortunately you're not. I'd love to get your opinion on something though:

Are slave revolts justified?

Was the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising wrong?

Thanks in advance.

[-] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I am well versed in oppression and uprising history, thank you. I still believe that Hamas is not every Palestinian, that not every Palestinian is Hamas and that the October 7 massacre was antisemitic at its core.

[-] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

"Hey 18 year olds in a 70 year old concentration camp, choose better leaders."

[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 5 points 1 year ago

So what would your answers be then?

[-] livus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I'm on the side of the civilians, I don't care what their ethnicity is.

  • The October attack happened last October, at the behest of a leadership that has not held an election since before half its subjects had even been born.

  • The genocide is ongoing, and is at the behest of a recently elected government supported by its democratic allies, so that's the one where speaking out against it might help to stop it.

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