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[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 10 months ago

Wouldn't this apply to both rented and personally-owned scooters though?

Getting rid of the rentals might reduce the number temporarily, but doesn't really seem to solve the problem.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

most people who buy their own don't leave it out on the street, and (while I'm not in paris...) my experience is they also tend to be more responsible about it. like riding while sober, wearing helmets, and being in the bike lane (or wherever they're supposed to be)

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah I think you're dead right there.

The rental scooters do seem to bring out the worst in people, or maybe they just tend to hilight people's general disrespect for "things" particularly those which do not belong to them.

People will always take care of their own stuff better than someone else's.

Edit: I've also noticed that people aren't using them that much where I live. They were all over the place for a minute, but now don't see them very much.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It gets rid of all the unused rental scooters lying around on the sidewalk, and that was seen as the biggest nuisance. Privately owned scooters will never reach the same height of scooter littering.

The rental scooter companies were unwilling or unable to deal with the issue. They were warned that this was becoming an issue.

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

Privately owned scooters will never reach the same height of scooter littering.

Perhaps not scooter "littering" but surely just numbers of personal transport devices.

That is to say, if no other form of transport existed, then the presence of rental scooters would surely mean that there were fewer scooters in total and thereby fewer scooters parked on the sidewalk.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

Someone who owns their own scooter is more likely to know local laws on where not to scoot - and if they don't they can more easily be fined and learn them. Tourists rarely understand local traffic laws and, while you can fine them, they'll leave next week and then a new tourist will arrive that also lacks that knowledge.

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

This seems like a very solvable problem.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

It's surprisingly difficult! Do you think you can turn right on a red in Provence? Would you remember to double check all your assumptions before going on vacation? Would your muscle memory fail you?

There are a truly staggering number of stories of people getting on the highway the wrong way or going into the wrong lane at an intersection when driving in the UK - there's so many laws and habits we learn to operate in our society... and those aren't the same everywhere.

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

Well yes, and yet even with these lapses you mention our cities are not in eternal pandemonium.

Laws, signage, design of street scapes et cetera, all contribute to homogenising behaviour.

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 10 months ago

If you own it, presumably you've spent more time using it, meaning you both look and drive in a more controlled manner

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