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[-] zaphod@lemmy.ca 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Gas prices are down. General cost of living is stabilized. Unemployment is extremely low and the percentage of eligible workers on the sidelines is dropping. Wages are up for the lowest income levels and continue to climb despite slowing inflation. Black households, in particular, have seen a significant narrowing of the income gap, more so than they've seen in many many years. The percentage of women in the workforce is up and salaries are climbing for them as well. In fact, the post-COVID recovery has been wildly successful when you compare it to post-2008 with respect to the improvements for the poorest among us, which is precisely the opposite of what you're claiming.

Yours is purely an appeal to anecdote. The data is clear. Unfortunately, as study after study has shown, data can't compete with vibes, and we just spent the last two years with the MSM (not to mention social media...) telling everyone a recession was around the corner.

[-] abracaDavid@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Housing costs are sky-high. Rent is ridiculous. Good luck ever trying to own a house. And yeah, cost of living went way way up and now it's "stabilized" there.

And to say wages are up is just laughable. I mean, yeah people are now being paid $15 an hour instead of $10, but what does that matter when food and housing costs increased more than that?

The data is skewed by the people that benefited from raising the price of everything during COVID-19 and then never brought the prices down.

The rich are richer and they are the measuring stick for the economy because they own all the news sources. It is dramatically worse for the poor now than it was 5 years ago.

Don't let bullshit propaganda fool you.

[-] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I feel like this CONSTANTLY happens and people just eat it. Prices skyrocket. Then they stop rising or maybe even dip a little but still remain way higher than they originally were and... Problem solved! It's stabilized! In fact prices are DROPPING! huzzah!

Makes me wonder if people are really this easily fooled or are they all just being ignored? Lol

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

I stopped reading at gas prices are down. They are up .40 the last week.

The data is clear

The gaslighting is all thats clear. All the data conflicts with your claim. Homelessness up to the highest level ever recorded, housing is unaffordable, food is unaffordable, wages are stagnant, income inequality is the widest ever recorded.

[-] capital@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Looking pretty low to me. Speaking in terms of this week makes no sense to me.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

[-] zaphod@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago

It's almost like they cherry pick data that fits their preconceived notions...

[-] KredeSeraf@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

I'll tell that to the out of control housing, rising food costs and the worsening healthcare coverage and quality. Man! So glad these few things you mentioned are superficially better. There's no problems now!

/s because you know someone is gonna take it literally.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If his is purely anctedote, then yours is decontextualized.

Gas prices are down.

Sure. Since a high in June of 2022. The last time gas prices were at this level was June 2021. And the time before that was October 2014. Which is to say, for about 6 years, gas prices were lower than today. And just looking at the graph, they were significantly below today's level. Just to note, they have yet to return to the levels before the precipitous rise stating in December 2020.

There maybe, as you noted, vibes, but they ain't wrong.

Unemployment should be looked at with, of course participation rate which has held even for the last year, and how long people have been unemployed which has been growing slightly for those unemployed for 27 weeks or more. This also doesn't address underemployment which disporporstely effects the young and poor. Underemployment colors one's outlook for stability in the present and future.

Thankfully, Biden and others in the administration have managed this far better than 2008 for the average citizen. Not having a recession is a good thing. I've lived through several. But that doesn't mean there isn't looming concerns. Inflation is still higher than the target and instigating further disinflation is uncharted territory.

Data, in of itself, is not enough. It needs to be contextualized to develop political and social narratives. Addressing people with condescension and dismissing their anxieties as mere vibes fails politically.

[-] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

I think people are expecting all the prices to return to "normal" when that's probably never going to happen, as a good chunk of the price increases are due to post-covid inflation

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

the largest driver of inflation during and after the pandemic is companies raising prices, and turning record profits.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Living is more unaffordable than ever. What even is your comment

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