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Yeah definitely there is PR push. All the mainstream articles are written in a way that maximizes these viewpoints. I don't know where exactly it comes from but besides military industrial complex there is still oil and extraction of resources and general empire stuff there are a lot of business interest tied to maintaining hegemony.
For Ukraine specifically I also speculate that it's because Ukraine is a breadbasket. With climate change, food prices are going to become unstable so having control of that region is not just good business, for the empire it's an important strategic goal. West-Ukraine will mostly be owned by EU and US because of the incredible debt.
The other goal here is that we'll see like a billion climate refugees in a few decades which will lead to wars. And Russia has tons of borders that could be corridors. So it's good to destabilize and isolate Russia in advance of these climate wars so that the worst chaos isn't happening in Europe. Similar with China. They'd want to encircle their geopolitical rivals so they don't have that much room to maneuver.
This is all speculation and I'm really not sure if "they" think this strategically. But Nato baiting Ukraine was imho a definite trap to "force" Russia into this conflict. Fuck Stoltenberg for example. Not that I don't blame Russia!
@CableMonster@lemmy.ml, I’m an admin on lemmy.ml, and we’re getting complaints of you trolling this post. After dozens of comments, maybe you’ve had your say and it’s time to stop threadsitting on the conversation. I approved your account request this week, please don’t make me regret it.
Maybe you don’t know how to take a hint and want your account to be temporarily banned.
It is not, as you said, that you’re dissenting from the standard narrative, at least not to me. It is threadsitting and making rather rude comments.
You may or may not have noticed that lemmy.world mods/admins have removed some of your comments already: https://lemmy.ml/u/CableMonster That is often a precursor to them banning you from the !News@lemmy.world community or even the entire lemmy.world instance.
As an aside, most Lemmy instances consist predominantly of imperial core liberals, and lemmy.world is no exception. It’s a tough crowd over there in terms of this proxy war.
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If you haven't, read Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent". Just as applicable today, just the science on how to manipulate people got more advanced. Newspapers are full of bias, and it made me feel isolated until I understood the mechanisms (see propaganda model) of why this is so. But I'm at a bit of a loss too why reddit has been "taken over" this rabidly. Pacifist notions are now buried in "controversial".
And 43, wow. I would have thought that as long as the US and Europe are pumping weapons into Ukraine the war will keep going.
Well, one can get a bit frustrated and shitpostery among all this warmongering. It's a kind of gaslighting. "Oh you want peace? Compromise? You fascist!" :D