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[-] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I left my ChemE PhD program "all but dissertation" because of my mental health and funding politics. I took my MS as a consolation prize and upon lots of self-reflection, I realized my favorite times in academia were when I was teaching as a TA.

So, I started looking for teaching jobs and eventually wound up adjuncting at a community college (which eventually led to a FT job). It can still be a little soul-crushing to think too hard about the state of the world today, but I get to spend most of my days talking about cool topics to people that are also interested, so I got that going for me, which is nice.

It might not help you in your position, but when I was feeling like you, I needed to find another job that let me remember what I liked about studying science in the first place. Maybe there's something like that out there for you.

[-] OpenStars@startrek.website 10 points 10 months ago

Can I just say how wonderful it is to have people like you who are able to work within the system?:-D Everyone is different - brain chemistries and upbringing and the like - and if you can handle it, you are doing a good work.

I had to leave the profession for another one entirely - I am now an engineer - b/c I just could not handle being part of the outright predatory practices within academia.:-( (people are literally walking away from fully tenured positions, not tenure-track mind you, I mean they already received that, in top-ranked universities even)

Regardless of what future career paths await someone, after getting whatever degree (PhD, MS, BS/BA, AA, or even just someone interested who is watching a YouTube video), knowledge of STEM imho can only benefit them, and society as a whole. e.g. the practice of skeptical thought (testing everything new against what you know to be true based on evidential thinking) can help someone even if they work at an entirely unrelated minimum wage job - e.g. don't accept candy from strangers and then climb into their unmarked van no matter what amount of free drugs they promise you:-D (and then the political equivalent: vote for me and I will make everything "better"). So then whether your students stop at the community college level - or maybe they are adults taking classes for fun even - or go on to things like business degrees, you are playing an important role in advocating for scientific literacy in society at large, which is so crucial these days, hence I hope you feel proud, b/c you should be:-).

[-] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Thank you for the kind words! I do struggle with dealing with existing power structures within academia and especially the "for-profit" model that's being encouraged in a lot of small community colleges as a means to stay solvent. Luckily, I work in California at a pretty isolated, rural CC that is pretty well insulated from financial pressures since CA state law (or maybe Ed Code) requires a community college in every county regardless of the population base.

As a result, our departments have a fair bit of leeway to make changes as we see fit (within reason), and the admin don't fight us much on anything we can show increases student access or success (even anecdotally), which really helps me think we're making some incremental progress. Our math, bio, physics, and chemistry departments are almost completely switched over to using open-access textbooks and other free resources, which seems to really help students that would otherwise not be able to afford to come back to school in a STEM field, and there's a fair bit of movement away from the traditional academic pathways, and emphasis on improving mental health among students, so maybe there's a chance that the next generation or two might be able to move the needle away from the current toxic grad-school culture. Although, academia will still likely have the same issue as political power (in the US) and capitalism; the people most likely to find themselves in a position of power are usually the most cutthroat and least suited to enacting benevolent change.

But although I love my STEM majors since they're the ones that appreciate the finer points of the more advanced classes, your point about scientific literacy is exactly why I wind up putting far more effort into my intro-level chem courses. For a majority of my students, my Intro to Gen Chem course might be the last science course they ever take, and it's a responsibility I don't take lightly. It's nice to know it's appreciated by others in the science community

[-] OpenStars@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago

On wow sounds kinda like a dream job tbh, hold onto that as long as you can (and want to ofc:-).

Politicians can make their pretty speeches, after collecting donations for the privilege of being talked at, but it is boots on the ground people that actually get stuff done. You could make or break someone's view of science, like oh say if someone wanted to behead Dr. Fauci, then at least hopefully they'd separate the science from the man.

A lot of conferences these days even have special sections dedicated to science literacy and teaching - it has become recognized, finally, as being a crucial underpinning of the scientific process, not just to advance science by discovery, but to communicate what is known as well. Hopefully efforts won't be restricted solely to people taking classes either, and could be expanded to the wider world too - it somewhat is like in TV shows, except they are often so very wrong that it almost has the opposite effect of making it seem like magic performed by special wizards rather than effort that anyone at all could undertake, if they would only like crack a book:-).

You are doing a valuable service, don't forget that! Though please also don't forget those in your upper division classes either - it's so easy to get bored with just a lot of detail, and while fewer in number, those more dedicated to that exact subject matter need your love and attention too! :-D That probably sounds like a criticism but I mean it as encouragement bc once someone chooses their field, they become even more receptive to the wonders that it has to offer.:-)