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ok looks like lemmys hard against vaping, as a smoker and bi curious vaper, why the beef? it helped me quit smoking for a while but i suck at quitting, is it worse than cigarettes, can someone link sources? i genuinely thought it was healthier than smoking
being against disposable vapes does not equal being against vaping; I sort of can't believe this needs to be explained: the environmental cost of disposable vapes is preposterous, they should've been banned from day one. if they want to make it about the children: whatever gets it done, but I want it done because buying something like that when it is explicitly meant to be thrown away is outrageous.
i sort of cant believe i just asked a question, calm tf down ok youre passionate, but theres a huge difference between a disposable vape and 40-50 cigarette butts, lets go for the lesser evil right?
Vapes use a significant amount of non renewable materials such as lithium batteries and plastics. These are then just thrown away and often explode in waste processing centres
How is letting battery chemicals seep into the water table, and plastics in the ground "the lesser evil"?
Its more hate for disposable single use vapes than vaping in general. On the other hand you also have people making stupid big clouds which piss people off.
Vaping is better than smoking but its still not good for you
I've used an e-cig of sorts for about 10 years - but I think fully disposable ones are stupid. Why are we throwing a working rechargeable battery, circuit board etc in the bin repeatedly?
From previous sealed battery units, or disposable coil units or combined tank/coil ends, I got so stressed out by the wastage (even after finding ways to clean, dry burn, refill and extend the life of them) that I got a rebuildable atomiser, and a unit with replaceable batteries.
My waste is now 5cm of very thin wire, and 3cm x 0.5cm of cotton wadding, ~10 times a year.
Due to bit of shoddy manifacturing, and cheap corner-cutting, there's also a likely point of failure on the USB port or power button, so assume additional waste of 1 circuit board and plastic box per year.
But, assuming someone uses 1 disposable vape a week? A day? That's 52 to 365 perfectly functioning rechargeable batteries being thrown in the bin each year, along with the same amount of circuit boards and plastic tubes.
The objection is to disposable vapes. That the anti-vaping lobby gets a boost from them is just another reason to hate them if you see vaping as the means to make smoked tobacco obsolete, as I do.
They're an environmental nightmare and they are marketed at kids, not just people who are trying to give up smoking. Don't get me wrong, if kids are going to experiment with nicotine (and some of them inevitably will) then it's much better they do it with vapes than cigarettes. But that is not a reason to market vapes to children, nor to have batteries discarded several hundred charge cycles before they're dead, nor to litter the planet with masses of single-use plastic.