Look, if this post is too heavy for this community, feel free to remove it. Admittedly this is a very serious subject, and it occupies something of a grey area regarding suitable discourse that I'm uncertain of. But Gore is one of the more popular of the recent batch of follower mods to hit the Nexus, and it's because this situation is so serious that I feel there needs to be greater attention brought to it.
For those who aren't familiar, Gore was a follower written both as a way for the mod author to express deeply personal feelings about traumatic experiences that occurred in their own life and as a memorial to a transgender friend of theirs who passed away. In order to be welcoming to the greatest possible audience, Gore had dialog options in order to refer to players by non-binary pronouns, and in response to some backlash against the above, Gore's dev also uploaded optional textures that could be used to add top surgery scars to Gore, implying that Gore himself was transgender.
I imagine that these traits attracted a certain. . .audience of individuals who found the premise unpalatable.
Regardless of what one personally thinks about a follower being handled in the way Gore was, the fact that the situation ended in this manner concerns me deeply. Harassing not just the individual themselves, but someone's real life contacts over a follower mod being written in a divisive way is terrifying, and it sets a nightmarish precedent for how the Skyrim modding community might conduct itself in the future. I feel the need to discuss what happened here because not acknowledging issues like this just leads to them festering further.
The community here at Lemmy is small. But I think we should put our best foot forward in holding ourselves to a high standard. We should strive to maintain a civil, friendly demeanor not just on Lemmy, but in the Skyrim community as a whole. To that end, it's important to know what behavior is not civil and friendly, and what situations we should do our best to try to put a stop to if we see signs of it ramping up in the wild. Harassment of this nature is very much one of those situations. So I'd like to propose this. Let's do whatever little we can to ensure that a situation like this never happens again. If harassment is against the rules/TOS of a website, it should be reported. And if not, I strongly recommend pushing back against it. The Skyrim modding community deserves to be a place where people can feel safe. Let's make sure it is one.
EDIT It appears that development on Gore has resumed.
There is. . .a lot to unpack, but the TL;DR of it is that the people that Gore's mod author has accused of targeting his friends and family were a pair of women that he also claims had an unrequited crush on him and targeted him for that reason??? And in response, those two women have in turn accused him of being the one to have a creepy unrequited crush on them and that have threatened to doxx them and have posted on a now-deleted Reddit thread outlining their side of the story. This story seems highly plausible on its face, however one of the two accused individuals has been going back and making posts and edits after the thread has already closed that make her narrative increasingly shaky. Most notably, she claimed that another follower mod author named RabbittWinri was opposed to her repeatedly bringing up information about a third party because RabbittWinri was afraid said third party would be targeted by Gore's developer and his friends, which I personally decided to confront RabbitWinri about and received an incredibly blunt and noticeably confused response denying.
EDIT 2 SO IT TURNED OUT MY OWN RESEARCH FORESHADOWED A BIGGER REVELATION
The evidence posted against Gore's developer has been revealed to be highly manipulated. The Reddit moderator that previously trusted the women who pressed counter-allegations against him has confirmed the legitimacy of this. I'm posting in bold text because considering the misinformation we've been fed, this update is important.
New information can be found HERE: https://www.teddit.net/r/skyrimmods/comments/14qwcap/regarding_recent_allegations_about_me_and_my_mod/
Part of my speculative discussion in the comments below this post involved suspicions of malicious editing in an image. AS IT TURNS OUT, THIS IS OUTRIGHT CONFIRMED TO APPLY TO THE AUDIO FILES, THE MOST DAMNING PART OF THE INITIAL REDDIT THREAD
YOUTUBE LINK TO REFUTATION, WHICH IS ALSO PROVIDED IN THREAD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTSoLGBSask
The new Reddit thread also contains a full transcript of events compiled by a different moderator than the one involved in the post, for those hard of hearing.
In case it isn't clear, I would also like to point out that it's Alarycia's testimony that was refuted in the full footage which is now available. My own research turned up flaws in mookymilk's narrative. So it seems that both of them really were lying in tandem for some reason.
Apparently there is a lot more to it than that? The mod author was allegedly creeping on younger women, there are audio files of this on the reddit skyrimmods post about this.
I cant be arsed with drama, dont know or interact with anyone involved, haven't listened to the audio files posted as 'evidence', nor do i use rhe mod... Only posting here so that a fuller picture is provided.
All that said, if the allegations are true, and the mod author is trying to use actual issues like transphobia and homophobia to cover his own shittiness, then i'd say some Internet pitchforks are more than warranted.
The mod author might be a dick, but I'd hardly call a 32-year-old being interested in a 25-year-old "creeping on younger women". Hyperbole at its best.
That's fair enough, I don't care enough about this drama to verify every claim made on the reddit thread. thus the 'allegedly'
But you care enough to share something you didn't verify
Well observed.
Could you or someone else post them over here? I feel like this would be a very important piece to this story. I can't even find the post about this on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/14p5f2d/gore_mod_locked/
Thank you!
Well this is. . .hmm. If this all turns out to be true, then I think my take would be the same as the Reddit thread in that this thread should be kept up so people know the full picture about the scenario. Both scenarios are equally upsetting to me, and the fact that another huge follower mod author who is friends with a large chunk of the follower mod community is drawing a line in the sand over it makes the whole thing even more uncomfortable.
For the record, I'm familiar with the "beef" that mookymilk mentioned, because the user desperately trying to shout everyone down in that thread documented it in detail.
https://farshores.tumblr.com/post/675486442705862656/wait-wtf-happened-i-feel-like-i-missed-a
https://rabbittwinrithings.tumblr.com/post/675700001648885760/okay-time-to-begin
Frankly I'm even less sure what to make of RabbitWinri's reaction to everything happening here than the events themselves. Is it because she feels a friend is being targeted and trusts them too much to assume the worst? Is it because the incident with the Kaidan Extended team made her distrust information that might paint someone more politically aligned with her in the wrong light? Was the Kaidan Extended drama FAKED, considering apparently there's someone with a reputation for faking Discord posts to stir up drama running around? And if so, was RabbitWinri aware?
I will also note that before I posted here, I made a (rather more heated) post to the same effect on Tumblr. Not too long -after- I posted here, I was sent a response by someone stating the official story that the Reddit thread states that Gore's author and his friends are going with in their arguments, that someone had tried to flirt with Gore's author, been turned down, and proceeded to go ballistic. That response. . .was from FluffySpaceShark, another individual who briefly posted in the Reddit thread to try to defend Hayden against the allegations.
I have to admit. . .as furious as I was initially making this thread, I also had a strange feeling in the back of my mind that there was something I was missing. I like to assume the best out of people. I just hope that the worst case scenario here, that this was collusion from the mod author community in general, doesn't turn out to be true.
EDIT: I have reason to believe that the above three paragraphs were all just paranoia talking. I'm making a new post covering the updated status quo. Found out something critical. This post is still good to have context for the EE drama, though.
Apparently there was even more to it than that. The audio files that were provided in that thread appear to have been maliciously edited. Since you were the one who shared the initial Reddit post with everyone and your post here has received the most engagement on the matter, I figure that posting the update that has been posted to provide a fuller picture once again would be a reasonable idea.
https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/14qwcap/regarding_recent_allegations_about_me_and_my_mod/
Admittedly my posting the link three different times is a bit heavy handed, but this thread is starting to get old and I figured that the people who were involved in discussing the Reddit side of the drama initially might appreciate being given an update on the situation.
What did he mean by thal doxxed him? Was he using his real name on his nexus account? That's doxxing yourself. Otherwise yeah that's pretty bad to doxx someone else if thal did indeed give out his full name and other identifying information. I keep reading about mod authors getting harassment in real life and I always wondered how people were able to get the authors' real names, phone numbers, etc.
All of this drama reads like a bunch of teenagers interacting tbh. If someone presented this to me as a script, I would tell them it was badly written haha
Also side note: you can use teddit.net to link to reddit without giving reddit traffic. I think there's another one too called libreddit.
He doxxed himself. Honestly, not the brightest move. Somehow it took until everyone on the internet turned on him for him to realize that wasn't a good idea. Wasn't just his real name, either, I just realized that his mod also made a point of sharing another piece of information that would allow people to find him exactly. And to a dangerous degree, too, considering he was using the mod to memorialize a trans woman who passed away.
Honestly I just kind of ignore the part where he's arguing that, he's trying to clean up his online footprint that he objectively screwed up because he already had his open personal info used against him and now he's freaked out. Which I don't hold against him really, mistakes are mistakes and being in this kind of situation would cloud anyone's head from stress. It was just. . .also another mistake to assume malice when a lot of people were unaware. Even considering the, uh. Tension involved.
. . .TBH, the word "doxx" has been tossed around like a ragdoll this whole time and I don't think anyone's used it accurately once.
Hopefully some lessons are at least learned from all this.
'Allegedly' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in my original comment. Thanks for the update, but I am done with the drama. Regret making the original comment, tbh.