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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

You have known a not-insignificant amount of tribalist assholes. They don't mean things when they say words. The natural shape of the universe, in their eyes, is a hierarchy where the bottom half must suffer, and they'll make whatever mouth noises justify that foregone conclusion.

If I gave you all the time in the world to pick a better label and you chose one we both agreed was flawless then those assholes would invent some other stupid reason to make the exact same claim. That's how they think arguments work. That's all they think we're doing. That's all they think there is.

This label can't justify poverty wages, because nothing justifies poverty wages. And if you renamed it, the people trying would keep trying. You have to recognize these assholes and stop taking their arguments seriously. They're not arguments. They're slogans.

If it wasn't 'they're unskilled!' it'd be 'those jobs are for teenagers!' or 'but hamburgers will cost thirty dollars!' or 'robots will do it instead!' and if you try engaging with any of those then you've already lost. These people don't fucking care. Prove them wrong and nothing changes. You have to attack the conclusion, because that's all they have.

[-] onoira@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

i agree with everything you've written here. we don't need a new term. i propose eliminating 'unskilled labour' from our collective vocabulary, because some people who aren't completely far gone would stand to benefit from recognising this term as you put it: a slogan. i'm not saying i expect a huge amount of effort on this front. no campaigns, just awareness.

i don't disagree with what you've written here; i'm disagreeing with your point in the GP, that:

The distinction is necessary.

it's a concept that i believe is only useful to the managerial class (and other hierarchists). it isn't constructive in labour organising.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

The distinction is literally life and death, sometimes. I don't call it necessary just because I think it's neat.

The most ardent outright anarchists still need to distinguish jobs anyone can kinda do versus jobs with intense risk, impact, and/or time pressure. This is that term. You can pick a different one - but you cannot get rid of the concept, unless you want surgeons and architects who keep saying "oops."

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