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Hamas says two Israeli hostages have been killed by Israeli airstrikes
(www.theguardian.com)
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So far, on average, they have been closer to the truth than the IDF's figures have been.
That's how trust works, when it isn't ideological.
Someone says something and later on when the truth is independently verified, or subsequent things prove the original claim to be true, you are more inclined to believe that person or group.
If someone says something, and later on it is proven untrue, you are less likely to believe that person or group.
When both sides of a conflict do both, you take the aggregate.
Israel has had a literal media policy of lying with exaggerated claims, with the view that people won't view corrections, for decades.
Does Hamas lie? Yeah, but not as systematically.
And you're surprised that people believe Hamas death toll numbers?
I've seen a lot of instances when the reverse is true. People take sides for whatever reasons, then refuse to even review the the side they oppose. They immediately call it propaganda or question source. They don't apply logic because it doesn't line up up with their internal narrative. The world is not black and white and denial of that fact gets you no closer to a conclusion.
Dudes over here trying to be like 'there is no objective truth' while totally ignoring the non-throwaway bit about lying being systemized by Israel.
It's literal state media policy. They've been open about it.
When one side objectively, countably, lies more than the other, that side is believed less. It's that simple.
Also, when a country restricts access to food, potable water, and medicine to a population they consider undesirable and than says it isn't committing genocide, then you also don't believe them. Those two things are mutually incompatible.
The point is the determination that only one side is at fault should not prevent you from listening to both sides. But, for some it does.
One side is a nuclear armed entity that had 2.2 million trapped in an open air prison and intentionally blockaded them and publicly boasted about only allowing in a starvation diet amount of calories.
The other side can dig tunnels.
So no to the listen part, I guess. And so it goes.
You're trying to discredit the ungodly number of dead from a nuclear powered military that is intentionally targeting a population of mostly woman and children because they don't want to engage in tunnel fighting.
You're doing it by questioning the source of the number that has been shown to be accurate multiple times by multiple uninvolved unbiased groups.
The very question you started with 'why do people believe Hamas's numbers' is obvious bad faith propaganda.
No, this response has to do with information denials. There is another response about numbers. Read that one.
This is information denial.
Do you believe that a government starving a population it considers undesirable is genocide?