1243
Sanders warns Biden: address working-class fears or risk losing to demogogue
(www.theguardian.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 13 Jan 2024
1243 points (100.0% liked)
News
24042 readers
3705 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
If biden loses, a big part of why will be the single issue “genocide Joe” kids who, like their predecessors, The Bernie Bros, took their vote and went home over something that was much smaller than the potential loss of democracy.
Downvote all wish, the fact remains: had the Bernie bros not thrown a temper tantrum, there’s a good chance 2016 could have turned out differently.
Disagreeing does not make this untrue.
When do we get to blame the shit candidate who lost instead? Bernie didn't ignore and not campaign in multiple states because he thought they were in the bag, that was Hillary. Bernie didn't conspire with the dnc to put up the worse polling candidate because it was "their turn", that was Hillary. Bernie supporters didn't say "we don't need your vote" to the progressive voters, those were Hillary supporters.
This shit makes me want to write Bernie in instead of holding my nose and voting for Biden like I did last time.
When the polls reflect the proper amount of democratic voters during the election.
You fail to realize that when people stay home and don’t vote- it shows. So we’re well aware of how many of you “democrats” stayed home in 2016.
If you're acknowledging you need our votes in the general then made better choices in the primaries. Don't elect procorporate trash in the primaries like Joe Biden.
Enjoy Trump. You’ve earned him.
You have too.
… said the kid that is withholding their vote because they’re throwing a temper tantrum over a single issue.
This will be your fault.
Multiple issues. You think it's one issue because you aren't paying attention. Biden argued about the amount of stimulus money he campaigned on, he negotiated down on student loan forgiveness, he fucked the BBB, he created a corporate handout with the CHIPs act, he blocked the rail strike, gave the most limp dicked support possible to the UAW, enlisted Yellen and Powell to fight American Workers... and he supports genocide.
The candidate you selected in the 2020 primaries is garbage. That's on you.
Dude… voting polls shows they stayed home. Not that they voted red. They DIDN’T VOTE.
It’s proven.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voters-who-stayed-home-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
And:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
Talk about shifting goalposts…. I’m not talking about Bernie bros voting for Trump, you are. I never was, yet YOU comment to me about to change the subject to what YOU wanted it to be.
I was talking about everyone staying home and not voting like the “gEnOciDe jOe” people now. are now. Like the Bernie bros- they got butthurt over something smaller than the big picture and fucked it all up for everyone.
Then, in the aftermath, they claimed innocence and pointed the finger at other factors that were irrelevant. Which is VERY similar to what you are doing.
I’m done arguing about this. It’s pointless here. Lemmy is as bad as Reddit when it comes to hive mind mentality.
Yep, the 27,000 users on Lemmy.world are gonna sway this election. No doubt. /s
You think it’s limited to just the people here on Lemmy?
>Bernie bros- they got butthurt iver something smaller than the big picture and fucked it all up for everyone.
>Then, in the aftermath, they claimed innocence and pointed the finger at other factors that were irrelevant. Which is VERY similar to what you are doing.
wrong on basically every account.
I said I’m done. arguing with the hive-mind.
i don't want you to argue. i just wanted to contradict your lies.
Not about to get my account banned for disagreeing with you. Seems that happens a lot around you so, I’ll just block you so as to avoid it becoming a problem.
>Not about to get my account banned for disagreeing with you. Seems that happens a lot around you
this is the second time i've seen this accusation/insinuation. do i carry an aura of fear or something?
>I’ll just block you
thank god.
Exactly my point. Security. Thats what Lemmy is. Security for The ignorant.
It's sad because technically the fediverse is a huge improvement over reddit and other social media platforms, but many of the users are so toxic that it just bleeds users with every wave of new people who try it. There's a lot of unreasonable and angry people on here out to start fights and hurl insults at anyone who isn't a Hamas apologist that is left of Lenin.
7 Palestinians are dying every minute.
Won’t someone think of America’s democracy?
There’s a damn good chance that even more will die per minute if Trump is elected- but you can add to that his promise that he will absolutely be a dictator from day one. He’s already said he has no issue using our own military against us if necessary.
What do you think this all means exactly?
Go ahead. I’ll await your response.
One can criticize Biden, and still vote for him.
Are you having difficulty keeping up with the point of my original comment?
It’s entirely fair and necessary to criticize ANYONE for the things they do that fly in the face of human decency…
But I’m not talking about criticism. I’m talking about the people that admittedly are blatantly refusing to vote because of it- while simultaneously thinking it won’t be their fault when we wind up with a dictator in a throne.
Because they WILL be blamed for this.
It won’t be their fault. It’s their vote. It’s up to the candidate to win the vote. If they don’t win the voter’s vote; say, by aiding in a genocide, then it’s the candidate’s fault. We need to stop blaming voters because they don’t condone genocide, and start blaming candidates for abiding it.
Cut the shit. Inaction getting trump elected, is still a decision.
It’s not blaming voters- it’s blaming NON voters.
If you sit at home doing nothing- you can’t in your right mind expect to make any change in the world. When Trump gets elected because theres not enough votes to cancel out his droves of mindless supporters- it WILL be the fault of those staying home and pouting.
Want change? Make change. But doing nothing will net you exactly that.
Choosing the lesser evil is choosing evil. And nobody own another person vote. They have to earn it.
But not everyone can. And you're not helping those people get off the couch.
israel's end goal is complete ethnic cleansing of Palestine. They will achieve that whether biden or trump is in office. There is no worse candidate in this particular case, because both unconditionally lick the ass of israel.
Hamas wanted permanent war, they got it. Palestinians overwhelmingly approve of Hamas and Oct 7. Although it seems absurd, it appears everyone is getting what they wanted.
You're right, those children deserved to die!!! In fact, democrats should run on the messaging of "fuck them kids", that'll get voters to eagerly run out and vote for them.
You appear to have more concern for their children's safety than 74% of Palestinians do. Hamas puts their lives in jeopardy, uses them as human shields, yet still remains popular.
Do you honestly think the Palestinians don't care about their children? You're just repeating israeli propaganda that dehumanizes Palestinians. Please think before spreading such fascist sentiments.
They care about their children, just evidently not as much as score settling. If they cared more about protecting their young, this popular intifada and constant provocation in a city of mostly children wouldn't make sense. Instead they indoctrinate children to violence and intifada from a young age, making child soldiers of them.
Are you aware that MEMRI is little more than a propaganda arm of israel? Anyway, you could argue that israel doesn't care about their people, seeing as how they've bombed and shot up hostages they supposedly wanted to rescue. Following your logic, should israel be ethnically cleansed?
Memri translations can be suspect but there is nothing to translate in that clip, it speaks for itself. There are many clips like it if you search for them. Hamas even runs a summer camp for children that looks a lot like a boot camp.
This isn't about ethnicity, it's about Israel's neighbor trying to murder them for 70+ years.
Palestinians largely have not been trying to murder Israelis, that's Hamas. On the other hand, ethnic cleansing of Palestine is official policy of Israel. From settlements to outright genocide.
Having contempt for voters is like blaming the weather when it rains. Maybe the candidate should have came prepared with an umbrella, but here we are.
I have contempt for non-voters.