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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by oblast@beehaw.org to c/politics@beehaw.org

I'm simply asking this question because of Lemmygrad.ml existing, and that there isn't a far-right equivalent of it yet. If Lemmygrad has any standing for its right to exist under free speech, where is the line drawn for other extremist political ideologies? If Holodomor skepticism is allowed, then what stops Holocaust skepticism? (as it is generally accepted the Holodomor was man-made). I'm simply wondering what gives far-left politics a right to promote such extremist views in the Fediverse, when their far-right counterparts would be Defederated in minutes.

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[-] LadyAutumn 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because the people who run the majority of instances are leftists. And despite my many grievances with marxist-leninist ideology and particularly with stalinism, I'd rather talk with tankies who at least claim to respect me as a minority than nazis who actively wish death upon me.

Leftism should be tolerated because leftism advocates for the rights of the workers. Leftism is the way the world can and should be. Whichever flavor of it, they're all better than fascism. And wherever fascists will gather their sole purpose is to propagate hatred against minorities. Leftists are overwhelming welcoming and accepting of minorities. They are no threat to the acceptance of marginalized peoples.

[-] shanghaibebop@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Eh... I have met enough far-left authoritarians who are openly racist, anti-lgbtq, and who advocated for violence against people solely based on their family background that I don't think the extreme right has a monopoly on hate.

I don't think that level of intolerance should be tolerated, regardless of whether someone is on the right or left of the spectrum.

[-] gibs@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago

I have too, but let’s be realistic, and accept the honest fact that in far left spaces, racism, homophobia, transphobia etc us far, far less acceptable than in far right spaces. I’ve hung out with hardcore marxists and despite not necessarily agreeing with their political takes I’ve never had to feel uncomfortable with my race or sexuality in the same way that even mildly right-leaning folks have made me feel.

Yes, I’m sure racism and homophobia exist on the far left, but it’s an extreme minority on that side compared to on the right where it’s a pretty mild take, and treating the two as remotely equivalent is very harmful in itself.

[-] RIPSync@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Unless it's racism against Asians, that's rampant on the left.

[-] NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I'd love to see any evidence of this

[-] azureeight@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

You're not arguing in good faith at all. You don't have any evidence, you just have wild accusations.

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Try being an Uyghur in China, then, or a Ukrainian among Stalinists. You will not feel accepted.

[-] shanghaibebop@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Just want to clarify, nowhere did I equate the two. I'm simply saying I personally wouldn't tolerate intolerance regardless of the political ideology. The previous poster suggested that they didn't see such type behaviors from far-left folks, I had a different experience.

I totally agree far-right ideologies are inherently intolerant.

[-] azureeight@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I love "i know all right spaces are intolerant but ive know some bad leftists so they are exactly the same" 😩

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