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No stop voting for either of them.
Which functionally helps Republicans get elected. You solution is to put Republicans in power hoping they destroy enough that we have to start from scratch.
What we should be doing is primarying the fuck out of every conservative Democrat in the caucus and pushing the party left while maintaining a firewall against the GOP. Not sacrificing minorities, women, immigrants, and poor people to GOP rule to prove a point.
Doesn't matter they both commit genocide.
If you can vote for two Nazis or someone else that isn't a Nazi you don't vote for the Nazi you like most because then he will win. You vote for the person that isn't a Nazi.
And if you do this knowing your choice to vote for the person who never had a chance to win but isn't a Nazi results in the worse of the two Nazis getting elected, I think you've made a poor moral judgement AND a poor strategic one. You're helping the people who most want to harm you and allowing a significant amount of pain and suffering to happen to innocent people.
You can call joe biden a genocidal monster all you want but at the end of the day, Trump is going to hurt a lot of people that Joe Biden won't. He's going to cause more damage to the country than Joe Biden ever could and it won't be in ways that promote the positive change we both want. This is the literal definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
And more excuses to advocate for genocide. Even the Nazi's weren't this much in denial. A vote for Biden or Trump directly condones and support genocide. It is a direct action that shows that you voluntarily condone and support it. If you do not vote, or vote third party, you are not complicit in genocide. But if you vote for Biden or Trump then you do.
Says who? You may be able to put whatever you want on the ballot but you statistically have 2 options in a ftpt system. You can only influence the vote in one of two directions, that's it. I don't know why you won't recognize that fact. You're mathematically assisting the Republican party get elected (the far greater threat of genocide).
You're significantly more complicit for the damage the GOP does. Every extra bomb that trump drops on Gaza is on you. Direct or indirect action doesn't matter, what matters is the results.
If you can explain to me how voting third party prevents the GOP from gaining power OR how Donald Trump would be an improvement over Joe Biden I'm all ears, but besides that I think we're done here. I just hope others can understand how backwards this idea is.
only in an ethical system that says the ends justify the means. inconsequential ethics say that the ethics are in the action itself.
I can't rationalize voting for genocide. I haven't voted for a Democrat for president since 2008.
Thats fine, you've supported plenty of horrible shit then. Go ahead and take a break this round and just passively endorse it.
jill stein and howie hawkins are badasses. i don't know what horrible shit you think i was passively endorsing, but i know what horrible shit democrats have been actively endorsing.